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EyePod 10-31-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7134442)
Against the Texans, the chiefs failed to convert 3rd or 4th and short on 4 of 7 plays running the ball.

They converted 6 of 8 attempts passing the ball in those same situations.

I have no problem with the idea of passing on either down, but do it out of a play action, which worked well against the Texans.

Also, we don't need to throw the ball 30 yards on 3rd and 1. A simple 5 yard out, screen pass, or just a quick hitch would work just as well!

(Granted, JC was totally open and Cassel missed him. Also would like to point out that his throw to Bowe was a good one, but it was a solid defensive effort. Didn't get a good look as to when the guy started grabbing Bowe's arm though...).

milkman 10-31-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7134634)
I'm surprised they haven't used Battle more in these situations. I think he adds a dimension they never previously tried before and it's worked whenever we've used him. I also find it curious we don't sneak the ball more.

I agree that our line wasn't necessarily built for power running, but it seems like we try to get way too cute. If the Chiefs can be ultra successful up the middle when defenses are loading 8 to 9 in a box, I don't see why they couldn't be just as successful in short yardage situations.

In 3rd and short, these guys aren't simply in the box, they are lining up at the line.

It becomes a test of brute strength and sheer force.

KC native 10-31-2010 09:27 PM

Great takes gblow.

Anyone who still supports Castle can go blow a ****ing goat. On just about every one of the 3rd and 4th and short plays there was an open receiver that Castle just flat out didn't see.

TEX 10-31-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 7133962)
Far as point 2 goes, they're not as good as their record; HOWEVER, 9, 10 or 11 wins would be HUGE progress for a 4-win, rebuilding team, no matter who they come against. The hope is that they can then build on that with another good offseason filling more holes.

The other thing I'd say is that they're not 5-0 against bad teams while getting blown out by Indy/Houston; they were right in those games and outplayed Houston. They SHOULD be 6-1 with a couple solid wins (SD, @HOU).

I would be way, way less positive if they had been wrecked by those 2 AFC South teams. The losses were actually supportive of KC's progress as a team.

They are EXACTLY as good as thier record says they are.

Frankie 11-01-2010 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7133948)
5. I thought the Chiefs won today despite Coach Haley, who went full reerun in the first half. You never, ever, EVER pass up point opportunities, even against a winless team, at home, and especially in less than ideal weather conditions. Haley passed on a mid-30's range field goal in the first half, going on 4th and 3, for absolutely NO REASON.

I really think the winds were his reason.

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7133948)
4. I think we missed McCluster today,....

It's funny, I made the same comment to my son while we were watching the game.


Also, three points, IMO, that you didn't address:

1- I think you should have given some love to Tamba Hali. The sacks and that pass batted down in the passing lane were something else.

2- I think the Bills are a much better team than their winless record. Don't forget they did the same to the possibly Super Bowl bound Ravens last week.

3- There seems to be a lot of Brett Farve in FitzWhatever, the Bills QB. He might actually be for real. In the past our D has often made another team's backup QB look like a pro-Bowler, but our D wasn't responsible for it today. I think the guy is a dangerous QB.

Frankie 11-01-2010 12:26 AM

In the 1st half, I saw Bowe drop an apparent TD pass. I got called on a quick errand and missed the replays. Was that a catchable ball? Whose bad was it, Bowe's or Cassel's?

ChiefsrGood 11-01-2010 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 7134990)
In the 1st half, I saw Bowe drop an apparent TD pass. I got called on a quick errand and missed the replays. Was that a catchable ball? Whose bad was it, Bowe's or Cassel's?

underthrown by cassel. bowe had a play on it but couldn't reel it in.

Frankie 11-01-2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7134338)
Yeah, this. Especially when the game is on the line.

Late in the game, we had at least two drives where Charles would carry for 10 or 15 yards a couple of times, and then we'd pull him and put Jones in. Jones would then get 3 yards, carry again for 3 yards, and then we'd have to onvert a third down. Charles consistently gained 10 yards, so it seemed like when it was late in the game we should've just ridden the hot hand. We won, so it's all good, but it was frustrating to see the same pattern repeated more than once.

I think the psychology of it is that after 2 tries of the same thing people wise up and adjust.

Frankie 11-01-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7134405)
He was dressed as a Chiefs Wide Receiver for Halloween.

ROFL

Hammock Parties 11-01-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7134053)
My good pal Mr. Doggity went to the game with me today. He still supports Cassel. I think Cassel is somewhere in the caliber of Bono/Grbac. He thinks he's more like Huard or Krieg.

Jesus, that's insult to all of those quarterbacks, especially Krieg, who had like 200 TD passes if memory serves. Cassel is never going to be Grbac. Grbac had major ****ing talent and could throw frozen ropes. His problem was being a jerk and a headcase in the clutch. Grbac NEVER looked as lost as Cassel looked against Buffalo.

Cassel is a shitty version of Jake Plummer. In fact, he plays almost exactly the same way - mobile, no downfield accuracy, shits his pants at the first sign of pressure and needs MAJOR talent around him to succeed.

Hootie 11-01-2010 01:09 AM

the only thing I like about Cassel is he keeps coming and never gives up...and truly wants to win/be good...

Whether or not he'll ever be good or successful I do not know...but I do know he'll at least go down swinging...

Silock 11-01-2010 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7135018)
I do know he'll at least go down swinging...

Or, you know, holding onto the ball too long.

HIChief 11-01-2010 01:54 AM

[Cassel is a shitty version of Jake Plummer. In fact, he plays almost exactly the same way - mobile, no downfield accuracy, shits his pants at the first sign of pressure and needs MAJOR talent around him to succeed.[/QUOTE]

He must have had major shit stains on the final winning drive then.

patteeu 11-01-2010 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7134021)
Yea, his ball secruity has been excellent. He always looks like hes just on the cusp of breaking one, but never does.

Yep, he hasn't broken one, but he almost always either gets past the first arm tackler or he stays on his feet and drags/leans for another few yards. He's surprisingly hard to bring down.

patteeu 11-01-2010 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 7134222)
The reason DJ drops alot of INT's is because he is a good linebacker with great speed. I can't fault him for dropping shit when many normal linebackers in the league wouldn't even be there.

Right on. And that second one where DJ was running away from the line of scrimmage when he got his hands on the ball would have been a tough catch because the ball was on him just after he turned his head back.


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