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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 7163969)

Hey I want to win games too but the simple fact is we won't win a SB with cassel at the helm. Anything that results in his removal from this team is a positive step forward for this team, if that means losing every reaming game this year then 110% I hope that happens. It's not about winning or losing it's about getting rid of cassel.

Right now it looks like we are following the model of the 90s and that model is absolutely a failed model. It doesn't matter what we do in the regular season, what matters is what we do in the post season and the simple reality is we haven't won a playoff game since 1994. The last time we won a playoff game we had an elite(albeit aging) QB. Since then we haven't won shit. Some people like cock teases, personally I don't, you either win or you lose and the 90s chiefs are my definition of losers.

Following their model will just result in yet another 15 years of frustration. Hey it's great that we're not sucking, but now it's time to take that next step and simply put, we can't take that next step with cassel.

I like winning as much as the next guy, but if we can't actually do something in the playoffs does it really matter what we do in the regular season. See this is the fraud that's placed upon every fan, if you're running your football team as a business you care substantially less about winning in the playoffs. Winning consistently in the regular season is what sells season tickets, the 90s chiefs are a model of this. People will sell out the regular season, and you'll always sell out any games in the playoffs, but if you don't go anywhere what's the point? There's a strong incentive not to suck in the regular season because then you have empty stadiums, less TV revenue and the team may fail. But if you succeed in the regular season and sell out your games is there s strong incentive to win a SB?

I don't think so at least financially, teams are content to make the playoffs and sell out regular season games. But if you do nothing once you get there then what's the point. To me any team that can't win in the playoffs is an extremely mediocre team.

So yes I would take a whole lot of pain this year to give us a chance next year. Anything to get rid of cassel. If we do just 'ok' cassel won't likely get booted, because his contact is too big. But if we lose quite a few games, directly because of him then he is gone, and this team is better off.

Maybe you don't like it, but I'd like to think of the Chiefs as world champions, to me making the playoffs doesn't mean anything any more. There are no prizes for 2nd place.

Cassel sucks, guess we should quit...are you f**king serious? We just went through a spell of winning 10 games in three seasons and now that we are rising up, you want to smack the team back down because you feel one player sucks. I don't give two shits if we win every playoff game 2-0 and Cassel throws 8 interceptions en route.

Last season, the Colts had the worst rushing attack in the league and went to the Super Bowl. Should they have given up and purposely lost so they could have a better shot in the RB in the draft? Give me a goddamn break. We start winning and now we're trying to reason on why we should purposely shit the bed.....AGAIN!

I don't like neg repping posts, but you're making it awfully tough on this one...

EDIT: Sorry, I needed to add more. Your post was THAT stupid.

I think we got caught up in a Raiders game of penalties ad dumb shit and still should have won the game.

I worries me but I don't think that is the type of play we will see the rest of the season.

I also think the shitty field and rain at the early going worked against us. We are a running team but more of a finesse running team.

By the time things cleared up rain wise we were caught up in the penalty fest and the fact is the crowd showed up and made an impact.

We should win that game. I think we are capable of learning from that.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 7163844)

Do you think this team is winning the division?

I don't know. I will say that we've been trending downward for the last four games.

We collapsed in the 4th quarter against Houston.

Although we won big against Jacksonville, that game was pretty close for the first two and a half quarters, and if not for DJ's pick six, it may have come down to the last drive.

We played a truly horrible game against Buffalo and had a number of breakdowns on all levels against the Raiders.

In some ways, this team reminds me of a golfer who worked really hard on his swing while at the range. Normally, that can help you for the first few holes, but after a while your old habits and mechanics start to creep in and your deficiencies rear their head again.

I think some of the coaching from the OTAs and camp as well as the advanced prep work before the season is starting to wear off a bit.

I'd say they are probably 60/40 to win the division just because the schedule is so easy. I thought they were a 7-9 team going into the year, so they should exceed the wins expectation, but they don't look like a team that could finish 11-5 at all. They remind me of the 2008 Dolphins, who did it entirely with smoke, mirrors, and an easy schedule, and once the next year hit, they were a 7-8 win team.

That's what worries me for next year as well.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7163997)

Yeah me too. Next year's schedule looks brutal by the way.

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 7163980)

Pot this is kettle, you're black....considering you missed the entire point of my post what do you expect me to say?

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 7163969)

I like winning as much as the next guy, but if we can't actually do something in the playoffs does it really matter what we do in the regular season. See this is the fraud that's placed upon every fan, if you're running your football team as a business you care substantially less about winning in the playoffs. Winning consistently in the regular season is what sells season tickets, the 90s chiefs are a model of this. People will sell out the regular season, and you'll always sell out any games in the playoffs, but if you don't go anywhere what's the point? There's a strong incentive not to suck in the regular season because then you have empty stadiums, less TV revenue and the team may fail. But if you succeed in the regular season and sell out your games is there s strong incentive to win a SB?

I don't think so at least financially, teams are content to make the playoffs and sell out regular season games. But if you do nothing once you get there then what's the point. To me any team that can't win in the playoffs is an extremely mediocre team.

The whole "get rid of Cassel at all costs" comes on a bit strong, but the rest of it makes a lot of sense... it should actually be really obvious, but somehow isn't. Cassel doesn't have to be great (not that you said he does), but right now I don't have any confidence that he could string together multiple playoff wins, and that's all that matters. This year? 7 wins, 9 wins, playoffs, one playoff win... whatever, I'll take it. Next year, the year after that.... well, I either hope Cassel can continue to improve and get much better in key situations (especially since his number seems to get called an awful lot in key (running :# ) situations), or he gets the hook.

This team doesn't ruin me any longer when they lose or don't live up to expectations and I'll continue to enjoy watching blah blah, but to watch a team grow from Herm to a regular season contender, just to be one-and-done playoff frauds in future seasons because of the QB position, would be pretty rough.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 7163474)

What are your feelings on the Chiefs since the loss? And don't base it on the fact that we lost, but how we played in that loss. Has your outlook and/or expectations changed? Do you still feel like we are winning this division?

It seems some of the excitement has since disappeared.

Nothing has disappeared. The Chiefs were the better team last Sunday. But they were in a divisional rivalry and played with less discipline than before. Upsets happen in those conditions, especially on the other guys' turf.

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 7163499)

I still feel good about this team. Lets look at some facts of the last game.

Fluke cirumstances on the game-tying drive:

1. Washington gets hurt giving the Raiders a free stoppage of the clock
2. Raiders get called for holding under 2 minutes and no timeouts and there is no 10 second runoff
3. Washington gets called for a clear phantom hold
4. Refs review a clear catch allowing the Raiders to not have to spike the ball and giving the a long stoppage of the clock
5. Flowers has an interception go through his hands and the Raider's WR gets his hands on it and bobbles it all the way to the ground and it is not reviewed.

That shit just happens sometimes. The majority of the game tying drive was out of our hands as the Refs chose to intervene or not intervene or not enforce the rules accordingly and all ended up in the favor of the Raiders. They capitalised on it so no shame to them. They played the hand they were dealt.

Had a good Ref crew been on the field, Washington does not get called for the phantom hold, 10 secs is run off the clock bringing under 30 secs if I remember correctly, after the Raiders holding penalty, and the bobbled "catch" gets reviewed thus not allowing the Raiders the field position for the tying FG.

I thought we played well enough to keep them from tying the game but some rotten luck hit us at the worst time.

All this + the shameful way the refs let the opposition's LT hold Tamba on almost all plays. Thanks to DVR I saw some take downs that wrestling stars would be proud of.

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 7163969)

You are a huge ****ing moron. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. If getting rid of cassel was so important why hasn't the FO done that already? **** you for wishing us to lose. **** you sir. And for thinking you know more than the FO, well...that just speaks for itself. Have fun flipping burgers or selling phones at the mall.

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 7164009)

Pot this is kettle, you're black....considering you missed the entire point of my post what do you expect me to say?

Ah, so what's the secret "point" of your "let's purposely suck so we can replace our quarterback" post? Afraid that we'll be back to where we were in the 90's where we were competitive but just not able to get over the hump? The past three years, the 90's have looked pretty goddamn good in comparison.

I'd much rather prefer a shot in the playoffs than waiting a century or two until we're juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust perfect in order to make our postseason run. What's that? Our second string tight end doesn't look good? Well, time to blow chunks this season so we can find a new one. You go with what you got and make the best of it.

But for the hell of it, let's say we do go 5-11 and get ourselves a new quarterback in the Draft. I suppose that cures what ails us, eh? There's absolutely no chance he'll be a flop or (god forbid) be worse than Cassel.

I'm not going to pretend to say I like Cassel at all. The guy makes some stupid throws and misses the mark way more than we should....but purposely bombing a season where we are 5-3 and have just as much chance to make the playoffs as any other team in the West IN ORDER TO JUST GET RID OF CASSEL? I can't even begin to comprehend that type of stupidity.

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 7163969)

Hey I want to win games too

You just said you wanted to lose you ****ing douche.

DOnt lie, you already told us CLEARLY that you want the Chiefs to lose so you can be 'right' about Matt Cassel.

**** you.

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 7163969)

We were in position to get anyone of the top QB's in the last 3 drafts. Ryan, Stafford, Sanchez, and Bradford. Yes, we would have had to traded up to get 3 of the 4, but all of those teams were shopping their picks before the draft, so it was a doable option.

And I think it is too early to tell if the 90's would be repeated with a team built in that same mold. Marty's teams clearly became more conservative in the playoffs than they were in the regular season. Time will tell if Haley will do the same. Hopefully we start finding out the answer to that part this season, but if not... :shrug:... hey, it's been a lot more fun this season than the last several seasons combined already, and there are still 8 games to go.

One at a time... see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 7164040)

All this + the shameful way the refs let the opposition's LT hold Tamba on almost all plays. Thanks to DVR I saw some take downs that wrestling stars would be proud of.

There was one play I will get when GC posts his torrent, where Hali was literaly getting helmet raped. I mean hands to the face multiple times in one play and not 1 flag was thrown.