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Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380663)
This to the whole darn post! Our inability to run on 3rd/4th and short is the absolute biggest weakness of this team IMO. We have several other weaknesses that need to be addressed, but this one... first and foremost... has to be taken care of.

It cost the Jets yesterday.

Coogs 01-24-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7380706)
It cost the Jets yesterday.

Yes it did. And even though we led the NFL in rushing, it really cost us as well. I find it kind of ironic that we led the NFL in rushing, but could not run it for 1 yard to save our life.

Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380721)
Yes it did. And even though we led the NFL in rushing, it really cost us as well. I find it kind of ironic that we led the NFL in rushing, but could not run it for 1 yard to save our life.

That's why I wouldn't completely flip out if KC used the 21st pick on an OL. It's not ideal, but if you get someone who can consistently move the pile, it would be great.

philfree 01-24-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380721)
Yes it did. And even though we led the NFL in rushing, it really cost us as well. I find it kind of ironic that we led the NFL in rushing, but could not run it for 1 yard to save our life.

It's because Charles is such a playmaker. He made our line look better then it is. We could draft Pouncey and have him work at both C and G. If he can become our C then great. If he can't and he's a G then great. I bet he could really learn alot from Waters, Weigman and Lilja.


PhilFree:arrow:

suds79 01-24-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7380663)
This to the whole darn post! Our inability to run on 3rd/4th and short is the absolute biggest weakness of this team IMO. We have several other weaknesses that need to be addressed, but this one... first and foremost... has to be taken care of.

Agreed with the inability to run on short yardage. Just my thoughts.

1st - Our power back in Thomas Jones is well beyond his better years. Get a young bigger back, and the problem would be largely solved.

2nd - I wonder if we will always have this problem. Todd & Scott apparently like lean players and this drives me crazy sometimes.

Passed on Cody twice last year. I'm sure weight was an issue. But before I go off on a tangent there, look at our O-line. Where's the beef?

LT Albert - 6'5 316 (convinced Branden to slim down)
LG Waters - 6'3 320
C Wiegmann - 6'2 285 (who we know is weak at the point of attack)
RG Lilja - 6'2 290
RT Richardson - 6'6 319 (used to weigh much more than this in college) again asked to slim down)

Now lets compare to Pittsburgh. A team that just ran all over the Jets.

LT - 318 lbs
LG - 344 lbs
C - 304
RG - 325 lbs
RT - 338 lbs

Pretty big difference. Just sayin. Something to think about.

Oh yes before I forget. Jon Asamoah who will end up replacing Waters someday. 6'4 305. Getting even smaller.

Chiefnj2 01-24-2011 04:09 PM

Too bad this year is a bad year for centers.

IMHO, Gabe Carimi will make an excellent RT. But, there is probably better value at 21 (Greg Jones or Houston at LB).

gonefishin53 01-24-2011 07:42 PM

The Chiefs have some problems with balance on offense which makes it possible for good defenses to make the Chiefs offense look poor. They can't run the ball between the tackles very well and they don't have a second perimeter receiving threat to balance Bowe. With next years schedule, a more balanced offense will be needed to avoid slipping back to 6-10.

IMO, Wiegmann was only signed for 1 yr. because Pioli/Haley plan to sign Arizona FA OC Lyle Sendlien as he has familiarity with Haley's offense and led Haley's OL in the SB. Asomoah needs to win the RG spot to get the interior OL at least to a minimal level of "push the pile" physicality.

Getting a decent pro WR like Lee Evans (Bills), Ben Obomanu (Seahawks), James Jones (Packers), or Mike Sims-Walker (Jaguars) in FA, along with a more physical interior OL, would go a long way towards making opposing defenses respect the Chief's ability to attack the entire field on every play.

I don't think Pitt WR Jon Baldwin is quick enough to get separation against nfl corners. But if he can carry 235 lbs. without losing speed or quickness, he could be a safety and linebackers nightmare as a Shannon Sharpe type TE/H-back/slot receiver as long as he's willing to block like Sharpe did. Don't know if that would appeal to Pioli/Haley at #21.

ChiefsCountry 01-24-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7380706)
It cost the Jets yesterday.

Not running with Shonn Greene was the first mistake.

ChiefsCountry 01-24-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7380754)
Too bad this year is a bad year for centers.

IMHO, Gabe Carimi will make an excellent RT. But, there is probably better value at 21 (Greg Jones or Houston at LB).

If we had to go right tackle, Carimi is the guy I like.

the Talking Can 01-24-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gonefishin53 (Post 7381227)
The Chiefs have some problems with balance on offense which makes it possible for good defenses to make the Chiefs offense look poor. They can't run the ball between the tackles very well and they don't have a second perimeter receiving threat to balance Bowe. With next years schedule, a more balanced offense will be needed to avoid slipping back to 6-10.

IMO, Wiegmann was only signed for 1 yr. because Pioli/Haley plan to sign Arizona FA OC Lyle Sendlien as he has familiarity with Haley's offense and led Haley's OL in the SB. Asomoah needs to win the RG spot to get the interior OL at least to a minimal level of "push the pile" physicality.

Getting a decent pro WR like Lee Evans (Bills), Ben Obomanu (Seahawks), James Jones (Packers), or Mike Sims-Walker (Jaguars) in FA, along with a more physical interior OL, would go a long way towards making opposing defenses respect the Chief's ability to attack the entire field on every play.

I don't think Pitt WR Jon Baldwin is quick enough to get separation against nfl corners. But if he can carry 235 lbs. without losing speed or quickness, he could be a safety and linebackers nightmare as a Shannon Sharpe type TE/H-back/slot receiver as long as he's willing to block like Sharpe did. Don't know if that would appeal to Pioli/Haley at #21.

welcome to the planet

nice post, and interesting take on Sendlein...

the Talking Can 01-24-2011 08:29 PM

i'm just not going to freak out this year if we take an OL at 21...we do need a RT and Center, and i think one could be FA and one draft...

we need help at LB badly too and still need a ****ing NT (which is crazy going into year 3), if we had only taken Raji instead of Jackson we'd have a lot more flexibility (imagine dorsey next to raji...ugh)...we could pick up a FA WR and then go best OL/WR/LB in rounds 1 and 2

sucks we still have so many needs

ChiefsCountry 01-24-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7381336)
welcome to the planet

nice post, and interesting take on Sendlein...

He has brought Sendlein up before, and it really makes sense. The only thing I could see that could hold things up on that is that Sendlein is a native of the Phoenix area.

Bewbies 01-24-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7381356)
i'm just not going to freak out this year if we take an OL at 21...we do need a RT and Center, and i think one could be FA and one draft...

we need help at LB badly too and still need a ****ing NT (which is crazy going into year 3), if we had only taken Raji instead of Jackson we'd have a lot more flexibility (imagine dorsey next to raji...ugh)...we could pick up a FA WR and then go best OL/WR/LB in rounds 1 and 2

sucks we still have so many needs

This is pretty much spot on for me too--even spent a few minutes today talking about how we should have taken Raji. :banghead:

I still hope we get WR, NT or LB help in the 1st, but if nothing is there nothing is there. Heck, I sort of hope we pull at Pats move and trade back a few spots and pick up a 1st rounder next year.

gonefishin53 01-24-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7381367)
He has brought Sendlein up before, and it really makes sense. The only thing I could see that could hold things up on that is that Sendlein is a native of the Phoenix area.


A lot depends on Fitz. Until Fitz re-signs, the future of the franchise and Sendlein, should he stay, isn't pretty. Sendlein might take a decent offer from KC rather than deal with the drama in Arizona.

milkman 01-24-2011 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7379799)
Like I said, Tom Brady would be dead behind this line. They'd have to pick Manning up with a shovel.

I'd love to have a great quarterback. However, after signing Cassel to a long term, big money deal, I'm not really optimistic about them picking another guy in the first round anytime soon.

As such, if they could possibly upgrade a position in which they don't really have any vested interest in (and none of our offensive lineman are inked to huge, new contracts), and that position is a position of importance, I think that they could and should do it.

We can all sit around and wish that they would draft that mythical "franchise quarterback," but you can crap in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up faster.

The same thing can be said to you.

You can crap in one hand wish in the other, cause it doesn't appear the Chiefs are going to be drafting anyone to replace Albert.

I'd also be surprised to see them do it on the other side.


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