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Sofa King 11-08-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091807)
or give us a real coach and we would be playoff caliber.

What exactly were we last year?

Mr. Laz 11-08-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8091823)
What exactly were we last year?

same thing can be said about Cassel

aturnis 11-08-2011 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091788)
Ya, you're right.

We need a great QB to carry our shitty coaching.


i got an idea ... why don't we try and do both, get a better QB and better coaching. Oh ya, nobody wants to talk about that ... only Cassel.

people all over the league are playing with less than franchise type QB's but that's the only thing people around here can bitch about.

None of those teams are going anywhere either. And I did talk about the coaching phuqtard. Like I said, I see no problem with any facet of the offensive coaching other than OL. Can you really argue that? Is it the coaches fault Cassel can't read a defense? No, it's the fact that he didn't play in college and learn the same way everyone else does.

Karlos Dansby was even quoted in saying that they could tell very early on that Cassel was confused and didn't know where they were coming from, so they kept the blitz coming all day.

Sofa King 11-08-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091834)
same thing can be said about Cassel

So you're happy with just the playoffs? Happy with the QB who sucked ass in the playoffs? Hard to win when your QB sucks that much ass in a game. 9-18 for 70 yards and 3 picks. Sounds like bad coaching and not the qb to me.

aturnis 11-08-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8091809)
There you go.

Chan and Weis are two of the best OCs anyone would love to have. Haley ran them off.

Haley booted Chan. Weis walked on his own accord. As soon as he had an offer to coach with his son his mind was made up. You're just being silly to think otherwise.

Fritz88 11-08-2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8091853)
Weis walked on his own accord. As soon as he had an offer to coach with his son his mind was made up.

I don't buy it.

If you don't believe that Haley was a reason for pushing Weis to leave then you are being ....

BigRock 11-08-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8091852)
Sounds like bad coaching and not the qb to me.

If Haley coached better hot routes, Cassel would have had 300 yards and 4 TDs.

Sofa King 11-08-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8091864)
If Haley coached better hot routes, Cassel would have had 300 yards and 4 TDs.

That's true.

You remember the plays when Haley threw those picks?

What's that? No you say?

Oh, i guess i must have been ill informed. I thought Haley threw the ball to the defenders.

aturnis 11-08-2011 11:56 AM

I also believe that Haley ditched Chan b/c of Chan's belief in changing your system to your players. If he did that, the system changed every year and it gets harder to have a consistent product on the field.

Look at the teams belief in the defense, from Pioli, to Haley, to Crennel, to NE, PITT, BAL. Install a system, and as long as your players perform within that system, all is well, if they stray its good for nothing.

aturnis 11-08-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8091862)
I don't buy it.

If you don't believe that Haley was a reason for pushing Weis to leave then you are being ....

Well, I'm pretty sure the excerpt from the book written about Belicheat and his influence on the game by the dude who followed within our organization all last year said this fairly clearly.

aturnis 11-08-2011 11:59 AM

SofaKing, I think BigRock is messin' with ya.

Okie_Apparition 11-08-2011 12:02 PM

.500 is what was expected before injuries
meh

Chiefnj2 11-08-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8091852)
So you're happy with just the playoffs? Happy with the QB who sucked ass in the playoffs? Hard to win when your QB sucks that much ass in a game. 9-18 for 70 yards and 3 picks. Sounds like bad coaching and not the qb to me.

Why do persons such as yourself continue this straw man argument? Laz said earlier that it he doesn't like Cassel and realizes Cassel is a problem. When he questions Haley, the rebuttal automatically becomes "you're happy with Cassel ...."

Mr. Laz 11-08-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8091853)
Weis walked on his own accord. As soon as he had an offer to coach with his son his mind was made up. You're just being silly to think otherwise.

I don't believe it.

After only 8 months, Weis went from coaching in the NFL for 5.2 million a year to being an O.C. in college for 750k a year along with recruiting and all that shit.

How bad would a job have to be to get you to take a 5 million dollar per year pay cut?

no ****ing way

Fritz88 11-08-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8091885)
Well, I'm pretty sure the excerpt from the book written about Belicheat and his influence on the game by the dude who followed within our organization all last year said this fairly clearly.

I am also fairly sure that you can't use/find anything on that book that would put BB and his boys in a bad light.


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