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O.city 11-08-2011 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093222)
You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

Losing Berry really has hurt our defense more than I thought it would. But to be a good d in the league you have to create turnovers and pressure the qb. We can do the first when healthy but like you have stated we really need more of a passhrush. I hoped HOuston would bring that and he eventually might. This has been a tough year for rookies especially on defense, leaguewide.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093229)
Has Haley ever beaten a competent team with a strong showing besides the Pitt game in 09?

No, unless you count the MNF Chargers game.

The credibility of this entire regime is based on beating bad football teams and taking advantage of lousy QBs.

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093222)
You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

While I mostly agree there, I also would like to say that I think this defense is completely different with Berry.

Similar to how Baltimore and Pittsburghs defenses play without Reed/Polamalu.

I bet we had to put 30% of the defensive playbook back in the cupboard once Berry went down.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093231)
Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.

I know how you feel about McCluster as I'm starting to come to the darkside with you on that. But Arenas and Mo ( when healthy are greatly underappreciated on CP). This years class is tough to eval, with the lockout and all.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2011 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093240)
I know how you feel about McCluster as I'm starting to come to the darkside with you on that. But Arenas and Mo ( when healthy are greatly underappreciated on CP). This years class is tough to eval, with the lockout and all.

Arenas is a good player.

We have no idea if Berry and Moeaki can come back from their injuries.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093236)
No, unless you count the MNF Chargers game.

The credibility of this entire regime is based on beating bad football teams and taking advantage of lousy QBs.

Totally agree with you here. However you aren't going to beat good football teams alot in this league with a qb that can't carry you. I know this has been beat to death but it's really all that needs to be said.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093245)
Arenas is a good player.

We have no idea if Berry and Moeaki can come back from their injuries.

I'd say it's pretty pessimistic to assume that Berry won't. I'm sure that Moeaki can, too, but he may very well get his dick ripped off in the Nautilus machine while doing leg curls for his rehab, so who the hell knows about him.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093245)
Arenas is a good player.

We have no idea if Berry and Moeaki can come back from their injuries.

I think Mo can because he has done it before and I tend to think Berry will have a better chance to than Charles. ACL tears aren't what they used to be with the technology we have now. It's not gonna be easy by any stretch as that rehab is turrible but the good thing about it being those three go down is that they seem to have a love affair with football and they are so youn.g

O.city 11-08-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093249)
I'd say it's pretty pessimistic to assume that Berry won't. I'm sure that Moeaki can, too, but he may very well get his dick ripped off in the Nautilus machine while doing leg curls for his rehab, so who the hell knows about him.

This. ROFL

O.city 11-08-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093239)
While I mostly agree there, I also would like to say that I think this defense is completely different with Berry.

Similar to how Baltimore and Pittsburghs defenses play without Reed/Polamalu.

I bet we had to put 30% of the defensive playbook back in the cupboard once Berry went down.

I think this.


I made the comparison the other day that, if the Ravens lost Reed and Rice it would be very tough for them to compete.

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093227)
You're preaching to the choir about that, but where is this defense in four years, which is essentially the soonest that we'd have a franchise QB who is ready to go?

some are just reaching their prime, others are already in it. Some are past it.

Also, the way we have drafted and maneuvered in free agency over the last two offseasons leads me to believe that this team is gonna continue to get more talented and deeper across the board.
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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093231)
Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.

I completely disagree.

Relatively speaking, of course.

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093256)
I think this.


I made the comparison the other day that, if the Ravens lost Reed and Rice it would be very tough for them to compete.

and their second receiving option.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:31 PM

No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093271)
and their second receiving option.

Very true. Take away Rice and Dickson and Flaaco struggles.

Iconic 11-08-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093247)
Totally agree with you here. However you aren't going to beat good football teams alot in this league with a qb that can't carry you. I know this has been beat to death but it's really all that needs to be said.

See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.


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