Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 8220637)

I think the argument is more about it appearing disrespectful to some people. Talking in class and disrupting the teacher is also disrespectful, writing "clean me" on someone's dirty rear window is also disrespectful.

None of these are illegal or will get you a ticket, and there's no handbook that helps you out in knowing these type of things, maybe it was your parent's job to teach you this respect and common courtesy. Maybe as an adult, it's supposed to come to you like understanding poetry, in time.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8220652)

Or perhaps there are differing opinions (which are equally valid) where it concerns the SSB, the observance of it, patriotism...and whether the former two are in any way connected with the latter.

Ultimately, I still haven't gotten an answer to why patriotism is an American obligation.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8220655)

Where do you live!!!

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8220655)

Where do you live!!!

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8220610)

One of the most overrated players in NFL history, and that overrating doesn't even come close to rivaling his stupidity.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8220635)

Hey, Saul and bi lay started the party without me! What are both of your addresses? I'll kick your asses!

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8218992)

I don't put my hand over my heart during the anthem. Never have, never will.

I take off my hat and stand but that's it.

And I'm awesome so Shockey is obviously wrong.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8220677)

Can you please link me to the other thread you guys did this in? I had tears rolling down my face, I was laughing so hard.
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8220666)

I remember watching the first game he played and the announcers were sucking him off something fierce.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8220666)

I remember watching the first game he played and the announcers were sucking him off something fierce.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8220652)

Or perhaps there are differing opinions (which are equally valid) where it concerns the SSB, the observance of it, patriotism...and whether the former two are in any way connected with the latter.

Still haven't gotten an answer to why patriotism is an American obligation.

"Because" isn't quite as satisfying as it sounds.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8218987)

"I was pretty upset in the way they weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," Shockey said.

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 8220765)

Why does "because" not sound satisfying? You should be a good sibling, parent or child just "because" too. That's good enough for me.

I think being patriot became a big deal during the world wars, anyway - Hitler and ideas of world domination. Is it really so bad to believe in something that you'd risk your life for it? The American dream, etc is pretty corny but still true to an extent. How about freedoms we have here that do not exist in other countries?