Colquitt we need, but I hope we replace Lilja this year.

You are letting decades of sub par roster management sway your thoughts on the present situation IMO.

Let me get your (and some others) line of thinking in my head for a second...

You think that we are front loading all of our contract extensions to ensure that the team keeps lots of cap space available because we are gonna continue to operate well below the cap.

Well,that doesn't fit the current (and future) league rules (that Clark Hunt helped negotiate)

If we don't spend 119 million in CASH, we forfeit the remaining amount to the NFL and it is dispersed between the players. that has nothing to do with the teams cap space, it how much the owner MUST spend to be in line with league rules.

Either spend the money on players or the league takes the money anyway and you get nothing.

I guess I don't see a way that we don't go out and add a few pieces and retain our own guys without violating the leagues rules and having to hand over the cash anyway.

Gilberry
Belcher
Carr
Bowe

I expect all of them to be re-signed and in addition for us to sign 2 or 3 quality guys.

In reality, thats what its gonna take for us to get to the league mandated amounts, regardless of the cap floor that goes into place next year.

If we don't start to spend money THIS YEAR, there is NO WAY we get to those figures NEXT YEAR without having to sign players to stupid contracts.

I wonder what a Ben Grubbs would realistically cost us? Or Soliai?

Not that much. It wouldn't be anything outrageous. They're both solid players, well above average. But not true superstars.

Would 5 years 20-23 million get Grubbs and be a good deal?

Yeah it would be a good deal on our end. But it's likely too low for what he's going to ask for. Think about this. This is a great off-season for teams who need a guard. Plenty of talent this year at that position. When Carl Nicks gets a monster contract in the 60 mill range it will only help Grubbs.

I figure he will get something more in the 5 year 40-45 mil range.

Bowe probably 5 years 50 million and Carr at what Flowers got at also 5 years 50 million.


Would that be about 10 million off that cap, giving us about 20 million to play with.

It's possible. But I think Grubbs is obviously less of a player than Nicks.


Nicks is probably the best G in the league. After looking around, I'd say Grubbs is more in the 30 million to 35 level.

6 years 35 million.

Soliai willl get something similar to Wilforks deal.

Grubbs should get more than that of which you suggested.

Id have to dig in a little more to look at the leagues highest paid 20 guards and his asking price would probably fall somewhere near the average of those IMO.

Always remember that "market value" in the NFL is dictated most closely by players of similar ability level and the contracts they signed.

Its why I puked and never let it go when we signed Matt ****ing Cassel to a deal that was almost a carbon copy of Aaron Rogers contract...Pioli actually looked at them as similar players in level of overall skill.

:facepalm:

Still tho, with the money we have what would be the hit if Bowe got Holmes money, Carr got Flowers money, Grubbs got that average, and Soliai got Slightly less than Wilfork money?

In any situation if we are targeted a NT or a G in free agency those are the two guys you would overspend a little for.

How much money do they save per loss?

This is going to look really bad if we don't re-sign Carr although I still say even without Carr the secondary will be good.

Soliali, Nicks or Grubbs, and Manning should all be targeted.

Soliali, Nicks, and a few veteran backups + drafting Trent Richardson and this team would win the division even with Cassel. http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3078/obamamug.png

I would love Nicks bo, but he's gonna cost a shit ton.

I think like you, Manning, Grubbs and Soliai, along with Bowe and Carr make this team a legit contender.

Add Richardson in the draft and a RT and we are going places.

No excuses now...both Carr and Bowe should be re-signed to long term deals.