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Chief Roundup 03-13-2012 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447895)
(Tannehill is a 2nd rounder any other season).
I think you are going to find out that the way QB's are drafted now is going to be way different than how it use to be. The risk now is very low compared to the reward.

Dayze 03-13-2012 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8447933)
The end result is not more WINS. Winning home games is the only thing that matters.
/ Clark

The Franchise 03-13-2012 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447924)
I don't know how anyone could watch the way Orton played last season vs. the way Cassel played last season and see them as the same caliber player.

Orton did basic quarterback things like look of DBs and slide his protection that Cassel never did. He kept plays alive and found his 3rd reads unlike Cassel. He kept drives moving; even the ones that stalled in the red zone (often with a Bowe drop, a Jones stumble or an O'Connell...well whatever the !@#$ O'Connell did); unlike Cassel.

The eye test couldn't have yielded more dissimilar results. He simply plays the position correctly. Sometimes he's too aggressive, but with a defense like the Chiefs will have next season, that's fine; aggressive can be good.
That and he'll have an entire offseason with Bowe, Baldwin and Breaston. He's already shown what he can do with Brandon Lloyd FFS.

Hoover 03-13-2012 10:35 AM
Manning would bring a lot of excitement, but I think Soliai/Winston/Orton haul would make us just as much favorites in the AFC West as the Broncos will be with Manning. With or without Manning we would still need to be looking under every rock for a QBOTF

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8447935)
Orton beat the Packers

something Cassel will never be able to do.

That alone is enough for me.
The defense beat the Packers.

They barely averaged 2 TDs a game with Orton. The only thing more pathetic than that is the fact that we, as fans, have been reduced to pinning our hopes on someone like KYLE ORTON.

htismaqe 03-13-2012 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 8447943)
Manning would bring a lot of excitement, but I think Soliai/Winston/Orton haul would make us just as much favorites in the AFC West as the Broncos will be with Manning. With or without Manning we would still need to be looking under every rock for a QBOTF
It would make us the favorites in the West, but what about the AFC?

I'm kinda tired of trotting out teams like this one...

DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8447933)
The end result is not more WINS, and that's the only thing that matters.
I'm sorry - did I miss the way we ended last season?

We were absolutely getting more WINS under Orton last year. If the damn FG unit could block Richard Seymore, he goes undefeated as a starter and somehow gets us into the playoffs.

The WINS came when Orton took over. The offense improved a great deal, hell the defense got better when it didn't have to spend as much time on the field.

You want to play the "winning is the only thing" card - be my guest. This team was a legitimate winner under Kyle Orton; it was not under Matt Cassel.

Hoover 03-13-2012 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8447948)
It would make us the favorites in the West, but what about the AFC?

I'm kinda tired of trotting out teams like this one...
As am I, but what can we do about it? We can't force Manning to sign here. We can't get one of the top 2 picks in the draft.

Chief Roundup 03-13-2012 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8447935)
Orton beat the Packers

something Cassel will never be able to do.

That alone is enough for me.
No our Defense beat the Packers. Orton just happened to be the QB in that game.

Hoover 03-13-2012 10:40 AM
I think an offseason with Orton as the starter would benefit out entire team. We need a guy who can stretch the field, which Matt could never do. This team would rock if we had a 300 yd/game QB. That's Orton.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8447948)
It would make us the favorites in the West, but what about the AFC?

I'm kinda tired of trotting out teams like this one...
So just head to your lab and build us a prototype QB.

What's your plan? You have mine - what's yours? The Redskins and Colts aren't moving their picks. Are you really going to advocate Tannehill? Okay, but you'll probably have to give up a 3rd to move up and grab him; seems like the Dolphins with Sherman may be hard after him.

There are doable steps that can make this team a legitimately excellent team (and yes, I would say possible favorites in the AFC) - how would you do it?

The Franchise 03-13-2012 10:41 AM
Kyle Orton isn't going to be that QB that puts the team on his back and takes them to the promise land. Orton is that QB that will allow your team to play to its strengths and not **** you when the game is on the line.

Cassel is neither.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2012 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8447963)
No our Defense beat the Packers. Orton just happened to be the QB in that game.
Orton and his 300 yards passing, as well as clutch 3rd down conversions to Breaston as he was going through his reads had nothing to do with keeping the defense fresh or the Packers offense off the field.

Right.

Mr. Laz 03-13-2012 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 8447943)
Soliai/Winston/Orton
looking like our best option now

Discuss Thrower 03-13-2012 10:43 AM
Think it's kind of funny that nobody is taking into account the more than likely chance that the team's discipline goes to pot next season with Club Romeo..


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