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Chronic 08-12-2012 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 8809921)
A friend of mine that's a Donkey fan told me that he'd take his tackles and his TEs over ours. Lol Tamme for the win.

Kirwan's Top 5 Offensive Tackle Tandems from 2011

TEAM PASS PLAYS STARTING OT SACKS GAMES RATIO
Tennessee 608 Roos-2, Stewart 3.5 31 1:111
Cincinnati 560 Whitworth-5.5, Smith-2 30 1:75
Oakland 548 Barnes-3.5, Veldheer-4 32 1:73
Carolina 554 Gross-3.5, Otah/Bell-4.5 32 1:69
New England 644 Light3 others-7.5 18 1:61


Lack of sacks doesn't lie when it comes to five best tackle tandems

Pat Kirwan

In the NFL certain combinations of reliable players can give coaches a tremendous advantage. A pair of offensive tackles that can pass block and not give up sacks means five receivers can get out when the coach so desires, or at the very least keep the quarterback upright.

In 2011 there were close to 450 sacks given up by tackles in the NFL, which equates to 14 per team, per pair of tackles. Tackles have a tough job. In fact, 28 of the thirty players that gave up sacks last season were offensive tackles, which is more than understandable when you consider just how difficult the job is in the NFL.

The reality for offensive tackles in passing situations is that they have the most significant mismatch in their athletic ability to the man they have to play against. The top pass rushers in the NFL are capable of sub 4.7 40 times, have great quickness, while offensive tackles usually are the slowest athletes on a roster. Consider that cornerbacks and wide receivers have similar athletic abilities, as do running backs compared to linebackers and safeties compared to tight ends. It just isn't like that for offensive tackles.

When it comes to offensive tackle tandems, in my opinion here are the five best teams in the NFL heading into the 2012 season. You may be surprised at a few of the groups to make the list.

Quarterback play, protection calls and frequency of pass plays called all play into the tackle tandem's ability to function. In the end, the biggest issue is this: Can your tackles block the rush? Any time a tandem of tackles can prevent a sack at least every 65 pass plays they are doing well.

Keep an eye on the following teams. Houston gave up on right tackle Eric Winston, and now the Chiefs are looking to capitalize with Brandon Albert on the left and Winston on the right. That should provide a tandem that gives up no more than one sack every 65 pass plays.


The Eagles may have lost Jason Peters, but they quickly grabbed Demetress Bell from the Bills. Bell gave up half a sack in six starts in Buffalo last year and teams up with Todd Herremans on the right, who gave up four sacks. The Eagles called 586 pass plays last year and their starting tackles gave up a sack once every 90 pass plays. It should be close to that again this year. Of course, with Peyton Manning at quarterback, Broncos tackles Ryan Clady and Orlando Franklin will look a lot better than they did past year and should have a ratio close to one in 90 attempts.

Teams that must improve the production of the tandem of starting tackles based on last year's results include Jacksonville (25.5), Miami (20), which had a right tackle problem, Washington (20), where RG3 should help, and Dallas (19). I was surprised to see Tyron Smith and Doug Free both gave up 10 apiece.

Chicago (19) will improve with the Mike Tice offense and a lot less deep quarterback drops. J'Marcus Webb was blamed for the most sacks in the NFL last year with 14 and he's a better player than that.

Inside players (guards and centers) tend to have much better production in this area. The best of the best -- Eagles guard Evan Mathis, Chargers center Nick Hardwick, Bengals center Kyle Cook and Ravens center Matt Birk -- got the job done in 2011 and will do it again in 2012. They deserve to be recognized as the unsung heroes of pass protection. Other than Mathis, who missed one game, the other three started every game. And as a group, they gave up a grand total of one sack in 2,979 pass plays.

Finally, as one offensive line coach said to me this week when discussing tackle tandems: "With two good tackles, the defense will stop moving premier pass rushers around looking for a matchup, running backs like Chris Johnson can get out into the passing game, tight ends can be more like big wide receivers in the slot, and most importantly your starting quarterback has a good chance to play all 16 games. Aren't those the things every team is looking to do in 2012?"

Ugly Duck 08-12-2012 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8809846)
Cliff notes.

* "This is the worst crop of wideouts Manning's ever had to work with by a wide margin."

* "Peyton will either have to dumb down the offense or accept the likelihood of free rushers coming at him way more frequently than they did in Indy. The Denver offensive line really wasn't all that impressive last year."

* Aside from Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller, Denver's incredibly thin across the front seven. Limited players like Joe Mays, Justin Bannan, and Wesley Woodyard — guys who would be situational players on good teams — will have to start for the Broncos this season. The players behind them are even worse.

* "Denver will have the toughest schedule in all of football this season"

Pasta Little Brioni 08-12-2012 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck (Post 8811124)
* "This is the worst crop of wideouts Manning's ever had to work with by a wide margin."

* "Peyton will either have to dumb down the offense or accept the likelihood of free rushers coming at him way more frequently than they did in Indy. The Denver offensive line really wasn't all that impressive last year."

* Aside from Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller, Denver's incredibly thin across the front seven. Limited players like Joe Mays, Justin Bannan, and Wesley Woodyard — guys who would be situational players on good teams — will have to start for the Broncos this season. The players behind them are even worse.

* "Denver will have the toughest schedule in all of football this season"

:fire: Oh knoooooooowwwmoooooo

Pasta Little Brioni 08-12-2012 09:39 AM

Interdasting....

Eric Decker swings the smallest, most vanillaest penis in the AFC West.

RealSNR 08-12-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8811192)
Interdasting....

Eric Decker swings the smallest, most vanillaest penis in the AFC West.

LMAO

Mile High Mania 08-12-2012 11:11 AM

I haven't read through all of the replies, but I don't have many issues at all with the content of the original post. I do disagree with the comment that it's the worst group of WRs 'by a wide margin' that Manning has worked with though. I think the WRs are solid - young and unproven to a degree - but, Thomas and Decker have the potential of being very good, esp with the TE additions and Manning (of course).

There's a lot to be answered with the team... and as always, it will fall on the defense. If they don't improve and become a consistently productive unit, then the offense can score all they like as they move to 8-8. The defense has to become a top 10-12 unit...

The AFCW has improved overall, but there are no dominating teams and there is not one team that you can look at and say "they're a lock". Is Denver a SB team? I don't think so at this point. Can they win the west and win in the playoffs? Yes.

RINGLEADER 08-12-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Wiz (Post 8809855)
Denver may be good, but they also may not be good.

Key takeaway is that Manning's ability to bring the team from behind to pull out last-minute wins dropped dramatically in 2011. I agree with this assessment -- not only did Manning have trouble working the magic of earlier seasons, but he seemed to get less accurate in those situations then the past.

He's a huge upgrade for Denver. He'll likely win a couple games for them. But the writer is also correct that if not for 3-4 games where opposing teams just did something crazy-stupid, Denver is a 4-12 team last season.

RINGLEADER 08-12-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 8811396)
I haven't read through all of the replies, but I don't have many issues at all with the content of the original post. I do disagree with the comment that it's the worst group of WRs 'by a wide margin' that Manning has worked with though. I think the WRs are solid - young and unproven to a degree - but, Thomas and Decker have the potential of being very good, esp with the TE additions and Manning (of course).

There's a lot to be answered with the team... and as always, it will fall on the defense. If they don't improve and become a consistently productive unit, then the offense can score all they like as they move to 8-8. The defense has to become a top 10-12 unit...

The AFCW has improved overall, but there are no dominating teams and there is not one team that you can look at and say "they're a lock". Is Denver a SB team? I don't think so at this point. Can they win the west and win in the playoffs? Yes.

Decker could be special. Beyond that it's nothing to write home about IMO.

Mile High Mania 08-12-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 8811567)
Decker could be special. Beyond that it's nothing to write home about IMO.

We'll find out soon.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-12-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 8811567)
Decker could be special. Beyond that it's nothing to write home about IMO.

I'd be more inclined to say that about Tremens. Good thing he's a gimp.

RealSNR 08-12-2012 04:22 PM

Is this group of WRs really that terrible compared to a few years ago when he had Reggie Wayne and ****ing Anthony Gonzalez and Blair White?

Talent is talent. I really think people put too much emphasis on experience in this game. Yeah, it's EXTREMELY important if you want to beat good teams, but the only purpose experience really serves in this context is for dickless sports bloggers and journalists who can't craft a bold opinion of their own to save their lives.

Talent + hard work + environment = awesome shit. Experience is just icing on the cake.

notorious 08-12-2012 04:24 PM

Regular season needs to begin. Now.

R8RFAN 08-12-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8809850)
They wont win a Super Bowl, but could win the division for sure. They will be tough.
Posted via Mobile Device

Who is gonna win it? Say it LMAO

Pasta Little Brioni 08-12-2012 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Superfly Jimmy Snuka (Post 8811983)
Who is gonna win it? Say it LMAO

Hit the music. Su-su-su-superfly

Chiefshrink 08-12-2012 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8809928)
THAT is funny.

Albert and Winston are a top 5 pair of bookend tackles in the league. Donks can't come close to that.

Agreed. Denver's D will be their achilles heel again i.e. to the D-line and D-backfield. Champ's way past his prime and you can play around him anyhow.

If Cassel plays good not great but just good (although we all would like for him to play great) our Chiefs win the West hands down. Our D will kick ass even more because they will actually have had some rest not being on the field 2/3rds of the time.


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