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WildTurkey 02-27-2013 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9443765)
The weird thing is Mayock is for some reason regarded as the best guy around these parts, or at least has been in the past. I don't know now since he's apparently anti-Geno.

I'm a big Stafford fan but I have to wonder if he needs a different coaching staff. The Lions have been so undisciplined under Schwartz. Aside from all the Suh stuff, dirty plays and things like that... just in general they are a sloppy team. Of course if they don't succeed this year... Schwartz, Gunther and all of them will probably be looking for new jobs.
This. Being in Detroit has hindered his development. That's a terrible coaching staff out there.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-27-2013 12:37 AM
If Stafford has no deal......
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NJChiefsFan 02-27-2013 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9443765)
The weird thing is Mayock is for some reason regarded as the best guy around these parts, or at least has been in the past. I don't know now since he's apparently anti-Geno.

I'm a big Stafford fan but I have to wonder if he needs a different coaching staff. The Lions have been so undisciplined under Schwartz. Aside from all the Suh stuff, dirty plays and things like that... just in general they are a sloppy team. Of course if they don't succeed this year... Schwartz, Gunther and all of them will probably be looking for new jobs.
My support of Mayock was really a "he isn't Kiper or McShay" deal. I guess I had that with McShay for a minute as well. Mayock, IMO, has gotten more cocky as the spotlight grows bigger. I don't mind listening to him, but this offseason has just been a rough one if you are a Chiefs fan. I am mentally exhausted. It feels like we are in a playoff run right now. Well, I think it feels like one. I wouldn't know when it comes to KC. I was 8 when they last made one.

KevB 02-27-2013 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9443713)
Yeah, but he does a lot of stupid shit and he's only led ONE winning team in four years. Personally, I feel the jury is still out.
I get it. He loves to be the gunslinger type QB and makes some dumb mistakes because of it. I wonder if Lions fans would trade him for the first pick?

WildTurkey 02-27-2013 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9443777)
I get it. He loves to be the gunslinger type QB and makes some dumb mistakes because of it. I wonder if Lions fans would trade him for the first pick?
Damn he'd be a beast working with Andy Reid.

DaneMcCloud 02-27-2013 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9443777)
I get it. He loves to be the gunslinger type QB and makes some dumb mistakes because of it. I wonder if Lions fans would trade him for the first pick?
You'd have to ask Lions fans, not me.

But when a QB leads a team to 2-14, 6-10, 10-6 and 4-12 again, I think there are plenty of doubts, especially when you have the best receiver in the game.


It is a coincidence that he hasn't been extended beyond his rookie contract?

DaneMcCloud 02-27-2013 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 9443780)
Damn he'd be a beast working with Andy Reid.
And he'd most likely continue to throw dumb interceptions.

How many Lions games have you seen over the past four years?

WildTurkey 02-27-2013 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9443786)
And he'd most likely continue to throw dumb interceptions.

How many Lions games have you seen over the past four years?
Plenty I'm a Stafford fan. I don't mind the gunslinger mentality and I think his physical ability is off the charts good. He's been terribly inconsistent you're right he's throwing too many bad interceptions. I'd love to see him with a good set of coaches and a running game and see how he does.

ChiefAshhole20 02-27-2013 01:29 AM
Stafford is about to make $20 mil this year, why in the hell have they not restructured that yet? It is literally strangling the Lions with his and Megatrons megadeal. If NE can find a way to shrink Tom Brady's cap hit, Stafford should be able to be talked down from 20. Spread it out and turn the remaining amount into guarantees for more years.

DaneMcCloud 02-27-2013 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 9443788)
Plenty I'm a Stafford fan. I don't mind the gunslinger mentality and I think his physical ability is off the charts good. He's been terribly inconsistent you're right he's throwing too many bad interceptions. I'd love to see him with a good set of coaches and a running game and see how he does.
I've watched several Lions games the past few years due to the Sunday Ticket and I have to disagree with the "gunslinger" characterization.

The guy is just flat-out awful at times. I mean, AWFUL.

I don't think that can be blamed on Scott Linehan and the staff. The guy just hasn't progressed since college and continues to make bone-headed mistakes.

NJChiefsFan 02-27-2013 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9443795)
I've watched several Lions games the past few years due to the Sunday Ticket and I have to disagree with the "gunslinger" characterization.

The guy is just flat-out awful at times. I mean, AWFUL.

I don't think that can be blamed on Scott Linehan and the staff. The guy just hasn't progressed since college and continues to make bone-headed mistakes.
Weren't they on pace to set an NFL record for passing attempts? Did they do that? Either way, that's not the type of thing that usually helps right the ship of a QB struggling to get it all right. Not saying they should run it 40 times, but having an offense based entirely off the pass isn't going to help him get on track.

WildTurkey 02-27-2013 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9443795)
I've watched several Lions games the past few years due to the Sunday Ticket and I have to disagree with the "gunslinger" characterization.

The guy is just flat-out awful at times. I mean, AWFUL.

I don't think that can be blamed on Scott Linehan and the staff. The guy just hasn't progressed since college and continues to make bone-headed mistakes.
He'd be frustrating to watch as a Lions fan because he shows flashes of being an elite QB. But I can't help but think if he was somewhere else under someone who has been successful with developing QB's that he might reach his potential. If he bombs again in Detroit we will probably get a chance to find out.

DaneMcCloud 02-27-2013 01:58 AM
Don't get me wrong: I'd love for the Chiefs to have a year or two with Stafford. If Reid or whomever could correct his mistakes, I think he would be elite.

But years into it, can he change? I know Steve Young was able to do it, so there is hope for him. But I somewhat agree that he needs better coaching or to get out of Detroit, altogether.

ChiefAshhole20 02-27-2013 02:03 AM
1.1 for Stafford?

ChiefAshhole20 02-27-2013 02:03 AM
Would he be worth it/it worth him?


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