There's also a great deal of ignorance, genetics, and other things that play into it as well. Now, I'm not saying that's everything. I don't want you to think for 1 second I'm downplaying laziness, apathy, and a major lack of self discipline. Those things are the ones we always beat on. I'm talking about the secondary issues.

I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these ****ers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

The "secondary issues" can usually be easily overcome. So can the rest of it. It simply defies logic.

I don't believe that there is any reason to doubt any of this. I'd almost rather argue that we'll find that obesity causes MORE problems than reported. Does that mean the government needs to start making smart decisions for us? No! The answer to that is NO!

Scaremongering? It's not rocket science. Obesity is one of the leading causes of heart disease and type 2 diabetes. That's a fact. Both absorb an exorbitant amount if health care costs, and that's only scratching the surface.

I believe there are a ton of studies that show that productivity in schools and work improves dramatically as health habits improve. That's common sense to anyone who has tried to eat better and feels more energetic.

I don't support the soda ban.

I think we should start taxing the crap out of manginas. If you are a male between 21 and 65 and cannot at the very least 3 rep 405 on bench and 585 on squats, then you get an extremely high ass daily tax until you can. Those are rather low standards and after all, its for your health and the good of those around you that you are not a complete pussy. Fairies & tinkerbells are costing us too much in health care cost every time they chip a nail and have to go to the doc to get fixed.

gubbment needs to ban those king sized candy bars, the normal size will do.

That's a very good question. It's simply unacceptable and these people need understand their unhealthy lifestyle affects others as well and they need to make serious changes in their lives.

(lights up cigarette)

I recall an article in the last couple years that says obesity (and related health problems) costs less long term. They die faster. Healthy people live longer and are more apt to suffer more expensive health issues in their later stages (cancers, Alzheimer's, etc.).

The stats and data on obesity and its contribution to rising health care costs are completely undeniable. I'm not sure what scaremongering group you're talking about. But the stats and data are conclusive from countless independent sources.

I'm all about freedom. But the fact is that health care costs aren't based on independent freedom. When some lazy slob piece of shit neglects their health and it results in unnecessary care because of that person's poor health, it raises costs for everyone. If it only raised costs for that one lazy slob piece of shit, it would be fine and nobody would care if that person ate themselves to death. But when the price of their "Freedom" ends up on everyone else's health care bill, it's not about "Freedom" anymore. It's about shared cost of care.

You clearly have little to no understanding of psychology or human behavior. They can be overcome, but to suggest is usually easy or defies logic is simply ignorant.

This thread went from a legitimate discussion to a bunch of idiots ranting about weight and using rising health care costs as the excuse, despite the fact that health care costs rise independently of citizen obesity.

Dumbasses.

Haha. I'm not suggesting that we should have a bunch of healthy little clones. We all have bad habits. You exercise and keep yourself in pretty good shape in spite some bad habits. The same is true for me and many others. I'm talking about the extremely unhealthy people who seemingly don't care about what is happening to them.