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Easy 6 02-01-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978 (Post 10406751)
12 NFL pro-bowls, Walter Payton NFL player of the year and NFL all decade team from the 90's should be a good enough measuring stick.

Will Shields got ****ed.

Yeah, that resume should do it, particularly the All Decade team.

GloryDayz 02-01-2014 09:35 PM

Will was very gracious about it, and that's awesome of him. Rep for Will.

Big Poppa Payne 02-01-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10406868)
Yeah, that resume should do it, particularly the All Decade team.

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 10406875)
Will was very gracious about it, and that's awesome of him. Rep for Will.

I just feel like this validates the lack of respect the NFL has towards the Chiefs. I realize that part of the problem is they haven't won a playoff game in over 20 years but that's not Will Shields fault. He is one of the good guys in the NFL and he played the game the way it was meant to be played, he deserves better.

There is almost 1,700 players in the league each year and to win the Walter Payton NFL player of the year award, something Will Shields did is a prestigious honor and it means you're not only a good player but a good person. I just feel like Will Shields should've been a lock, I would like to know who was selling him to the HOF committee because they did a shitty job.

Rain Man 02-01-2014 09:42 PM

My overall thoughts, in terms of deservedness.

1. Aeneas Williams. The guy was one of the best CBs of his era, and maybe the best. The HoF screws over CBs, so I'm delighted that Williams got in. He was the only DB in the finals other than Lynch and clearly deserved it more than Lynch, who shouldn't be a finalist.

2. Derrick Brooks. Brooks deserves to be in the HoF, but Kevin Greene should have this LB spot. Brooks isn't a first-ballot guy and Greene deserves it more.

3. Walter Jones. Jones deserves to be in the HoF, but come on. Will Shields deserves it far more in the OL spot and has been waiting. It's moronic that Jones gets in on the first ballot and Shields continues to wait. Morons, morons, morons.

4. Michael Strahan. In a weak year Strahan would probably get in, and that's fine. I'd put Haley in first at DE, though.

5. Andre Reed. I wouldn't have put any of the WR finalists in. Maybe Marvin Harrison should get in at some point, but not on the first ballot. This spot should have gone to Morten Andersen.

Seniors

1. Ray Guy. We know that Jerrel Wilson deserves it more, but I'm jsut glad that a punter finally made it. Maybe Jerrel will get his due some day.

2. Claude Humphrey. Nah. He was a good DE, but there were better in that era. Dwight White still isn't in. And Kenny Easley, Deron Cherry, Albert Lewis, and Joe Jacoby are still waiting.

ThaVirus 02-01-2014 09:47 PM

Marvin Harrison definitely deserves to get in.

From an NFL article about his snubbing:

"Over a dominant eight-year stretch from 1999 to 2006 when he rivaled Randy Moss and Terrell Owens as the best wide receiver in the game, Harrison averaged 103 receptions, 1,402 yards and 13 touchdowns per season."

That is incredible.

ThaVirus 02-01-2014 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10406810)
Walter Jones played 12 years, 180 games. He helped make Shaun Alexander and Steve Hutchinson a lot of money.

Over his entire 180 game career... he allowed a total of 23 sacks, and was called for holding nine times. Nine.

That is also incredible.

GloryDayz 02-01-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by npayne1978 (Post 10406892)
I just feel like this validates the lack of respect the NFL has towards the Chiefs. I realize that part of the problem is they haven't won a playoff game in over 20 years but that's not Will Shields fault. He is one of the good guys in the NFL and he played the game the way it was meant to be played, he deserves better.

He was awesome, as were a lot of Chiefs from that era (my God the whole line!!), but he and they were all part of something that didn't work in the end.

And the HoF should be about individual achievement, and it really is, but there's a cloud that'll alway hang over those who didn't play as members of a team that achieved post-season success.

It really sucks for him, it really does. He really did typify the best of what a football play should be.

suzzer99 02-01-2014 09:57 PM

Did Derrick Thomas even make it in first ballot? We get so shafted.

Albert Lewis should be in the Hall of Fame too. He might be the most dominant player the Chiefs have ever had it any position. Also he blocked 11 punts. That's ridiculous.

GloryDayz 02-01-2014 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 10406920)
Did Derrick Thomas even make it in first ballot? We get so shafted.

Albert Lewis should be in the Hall of Fame too. He might be the most dominant player the Chiefs have ever had it any position. Also he blocked 11 punts. That's ridiculous.

Don't get too worked up over in man, it's not worth it. Trust me, it's not worth it. "We" can't change it, so don't get too invested in it...

Big Poppa Payne 02-01-2014 10:04 PM

I'm pissed about this shit and I don't know why I'm so bothered by it. I'm going to drink tonight until I can't feel feelings.

Mojo Jojo 02-01-2014 10:05 PM

DT was sixth or seventh. In fact most if not all primarily Chiefs players in the HOF were in their 6/7th if not later ballot...including Lanier, Bell, Buchannan.

tk13 02-01-2014 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10406902)
Marvin Harrison definitely deserves to get in.

From an NFL article about his snubbing:

"Over a dominant eight-year stretch from 1999 to 2006 when he rivaled Randy Moss and Terrell Owens as the best wide receiver in the game, Harrison averaged 103 receptions, 1,402 yards and 13 touchdowns per season."

That is incredible.

He had 143 catches one season. No one in the history of the NFL has come within 20 receptions of that number.

chiefzilla1501 02-01-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10406859)
Guy played 14 seasons, averaging 42.4 gross. We don't know net. His best season was a 45.3 gross, and that was his only season above 44.0.

Jerrell Wilson played 16 seasons, averaging 43.0 gross. We don't know net. His best season was a 45.5 gross, and he had 7 seasons averaging more than 44.0.

Dave Lewis was another guy who was very good at his peak, but he had a very short career (with the Bengals). He only played 4 seasons, with a career 43.7 gross. His best season was a 46.2, and he had 2 seasons above 44.0.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ame-candidacy/
Here's a great article about Guy. Basically says he's nothing special, and King and Dr. Z have more to add. If you're a punter, you better be all-world. Guy wasn't even close to that. So much of his hall of fame stock is built on booming punts down the middle, instead of kicking it to the sidelines. And no punter with that many touchbacks should get this kind of street cred.

Jiu Jitsu Jon 02-01-2014 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10406939)
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ame-candidacy/
Here's a great article about Guy. Basically says he's nothing special, and King and Dr. Z have more to add. If you're a punter, you better be all-world. Guy wasn't even close to that. So much of his hall of fame stock is built on booming punts down the middle, instead of kicking it to the sidelines. And no punter with that many touchbacks should get this kind of street cred.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n..._8044681_n.jpg

Discuss Thrower 02-01-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon (Post 10406944)

Really? You're going to go out of your way to white knight a freaking PUNTER?


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