Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11209682)

A serious point made.

JC is consistently asked to beat linemen and backers, consistently being asked to pound it between the tackles... its not the recipe for success with a guy like JC, this line is absolute dogshit, everyone but Hudson can suck my dong.

Fisher? dudes a bust, he just is... no better than this at the end of his second season? **** HIM.

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11209672)

Nice write up. I agree with all of it but I'm not gonna blame Houston or Charles for much. Yeah that fumble sucked. Was it possible that he was down or did the ball start coming loose before his knee went down? Either way, he's gotta hold on to the ball.

And I'm just tired of Alex Smith. I've held off on blowing up on the dude here because A) there are tons of posters here who pretty much have that covered and do a better job of it than I ever could and B) I've felt kinda bad for him behind that awful, awful line. But NOW? I'm just done with the guy. **** him. When we have a 3rd down passing situation, not only am I shocked if we pick up the first down, but I'm shocked when it doesn't end up with either a sack or him being flushed out of the pocket only to throw the ball away or check it down for a 1 yard gain. It's just incredible how limited our offense is with this guy. He has pretty decent ability to keep plays alive and scramble out of trouble, but it never amounts to anything. Like....EVER. I see guys wide open on replays way too ****ing much. He's just gotta quit being a pussy and let guys make a play sometimes.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11209701)

Our offense is not limited because of Smith. Did you see how much more time Ben-Burger had compared to Smith? Smith will stretch the field when it seems we have too and when he is able too. I go to the 3rd and 16 he hit Wilson on today.

So while Smith isn't all-world, if he always has to scramble 2 seconds after getting the ball then WTF?

However I do think he holds the ball too much at times.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 11209715)

The biggest play..or "non-play" was Smiths horrible pass on that bomb. He was wide open...So even if Smith has the best O-line in the NFL..if he cant make that throw...whats the point.

I was a Smith supporter...but he has had several opportunities to win games at the end. Broncos, 49ers, Cardinals...hasn't come through. KC is just about to achieve something that hasn't happened in the modern era...no WR TDs all season. Alex is the problem...the league is set-up for passing.

Pittsburgh's pass dense has been horrible all season...hence that TD that didn't happen. Smith could find the endzone once..

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11209723)

Not buying it. Did you see the play Big Ben made where he threw a TD pass while being dragged down? That's a play Alex Smith doesn't make.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11209654)

Charles is an excellent runner between the tackles. He always has been.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11209701)

Our offense is not limited because of Smith. Did you see how much more time Ben-Burger had compared to Smith? Smith will stretch the field when it seems we have too and when he is able too. I go to the 3rd and 16 he hit Wilson on today.

So while Smith isn't all-world, if he always has to scramble 2 seconds after getting the ball then WTF?

However I do think he holds the ball too much at times.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 11209734)

Can he do it well? absolutely... but he's being asked to entirely too much.

Reid is giving him too many of those carries that should be designated for Davis.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11209731)

I don't know what to tell you. Anyone who is half-ass objective can't say with any credibility that our line isn't our biggest liability. You can cherry pick plays here and there all you want.

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11209738)

Our line is absolute dog shit. I definitely agree with that. But Alex is just limited as a QB. He just is. He's way too reserved with his style. You have to be able to stretch the defense, and we have a huge sample size to demonstrate that he just can't do that. Sure, he could be sufficient enough to win a playoff game or something if all our ducks were in a row, but I don't like that we have to rely on that. We deserve an elite QB, and Alex isn't it.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11209740)

The line has it's problems yes. Won't argue that.

But Alex Smith is limited and a bigger problem.

Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11209698)

Yep. 2 seasons and he sucks. I thought maybe he could get better and be a solid starter at LT but that was just wishful thinking. A #1 overall pick....jesus man. Just **** me with a red hot fire poker.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11209747)

To stretch defenses you have to have a line that gives you time and WR's that can get open. I am not making excuses for Smith but most of the time he isn't the problem. It's just the rare times he does get protection of guys get open he seems to not see them.

He is sufficient enough to win a Super Bowl. He was a special teams play away from beating the Eli's right after he beat the Saints. Yes, he needs help in the way of a defense and running game but he isn't as bad as people are making him out to be.