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Coogs 12-23-2014 10:55 AM

I think the 4-3 talk has some merit.

I'm not sure our defense is a good as some would make it out to be. It was at it's best the first half of the season, when the offense was controlling the ball for nearly 40 minutes a game. When the offense stopped doing that, the defense starting getting exposed. The defense the year before started taing off at the end of the season as well.

I could see the 4-3 lineup mentioned being a pretty solid defense... and one where there could actually be some substitutions to keep guys fresh.

I could even see Houston and Ford lining up at the DE spots in a tandum that would be similar to what the Colts use to have in Freeney and Mathis.

I also think we need to mix in some zone concepts to our secondary/ back 7 from time to time.

Chief Roundup 12-23-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11214260)
Based on what's there if the ILB is best available than sure. But if WR is there I think the answer is obvious.

Reid has only ever taken one WR in the first round. Dorsey never has.

Molitoth 12-23-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 11214265)
Reid has only ever taken one WR in the first round. Dorsey never has.

The good QB's can make a star out of a mid-late round WR.

I'd rather drive a Porsche with some mediocre tires, than a Ford Escort with the best tires money can buy.
We need a good QB first.

Aspengc8 12-23-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11214262)
I think the 4-3 talk has some merit.

I'm not sure our defense is a good as some would make it out to be. It was at it's best the first half of the season, when the offense was controlling the ball for nearly 40 minutes a game. When the offense stopped doing that, the defense starting getting exposed. The defense the year before started taing off at the end of the season as well.

I could see the 4-3 lineup mentioned being a pretty solid defense... and one where there could actually be some substitutions to keep guys fresh.

I could even see Houston and Ford lining up at the DE spots in a tandum that would be similar to what the Colts use to have in Freeney and Mathis.

I also think we need to mix in some zone concepts to our secondary/ back 7 from time to time.

Break down how you would use our current personnel in a even scheme? Houston fits the perfect mold for a odd OLB. He is too much for a TE to handle on run blocking, not big enough to slide down to a 5 tech and handle the run. Poe would be fine at 3 tech. What about the other DE? Ford? no way.. Bailey? Sure, but now you have Ford as a SAM or WILL in a even scheme.. no thanks. Who is going to play mike if DJ doesnt come back? Mauga as the mike in a even scheme? Helllll no. Guys like Ford, Houston, Hali make their living coming hard off the edge in a 7/9 tech. Odd front lets you hide that 4th rusher, even scheme not so much.

Oh and we play plenty of 'zone concepts' already.

Sandy Vagina 12-23-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11214212)
Sadly we could have about 10 more INTs if our DBs could catch the throws that have come directly to them. And that number isn't an exaggeration either.

I haven't missed a game, and sadly know this to be true.

Dayze 12-23-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 11214294)
Break down how you would use our current personnel in a even scheme? Houston fits the perfect mold for a odd OLB. He is too much for a TE to handle on run blocking, not big enough to slide down to a 5 tech and handle the run. Poe would be fine at 3 tech. What about the other DE? Ford? no way.. Bailey? Sure, but now you have Ford as a SAM or WILL in a even scheme.. no thanks. Who is going to play mike if DJ doesnt come back? Mauga as the mike in a even scheme? Helllll no. Guys like Ford, Houston, Hali make their living coming hard off the edge in a 7/9 tech. Odd front lets you hide that 4th rusher, even scheme not so much.

Oh and we play plenty of 'zone concepts' already.

I do too.

Lzen 12-23-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11214170)
No, I think if Ford is Hali's replacement, we're ****ed............

I know he's a little raw but don't you think he will improve?

Coogs 12-23-2014 11:48 AM

I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

Discuss Thrower 12-23-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11214378)
I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

Defense hasn't been a problem this year given they haven't allowed 30 points all season and have only allowed more than three touchdowns' worth of points in five games.

hometeam 12-23-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 11214258)
I think Dee Ford can be a viable 3-4 ROLB.

Based on what?

Wishes?

hometeam 12-23-2014 12:12 PM

The D was not a problem with this team.

Quit looking for excuses for this shit offense.

Coogs 12-23-2014 12:13 PM

Only 4 teams in the NFL are worse against the rush than we are. It's probably not a surprise that those 4 teams are not going to the playoffs either.

Aspengc8 12-23-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11214378)
I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

So your suggestion is to switch to a scheme that you know nothing about, and we do not have the current personnel for. Brilliant. I'd love to hear your opinion on what KC needs to do offensively in order to fix the lack of production. Maybe go back to the T formation? Perhaps a little swinging-gate tomfoolery is in order? Less reads for Alex!

Sandy Vagina 12-23-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11214444)
Only 4 teams in the NFL are worse against the rush than we are. It's probably not a surprise that those 4 teams are not going to the playoffs either.

Yep. The offense sucked in shameful fashion in a few games when the game was reaching the end. They needed a scoring drive with no timeouts and a minute left... but the reason for this was that the defense allowed opponents to chew up clock and timeouts.. making the chance for a final scoring drive far less likely.

Team game... they all feed off each other. KC can't just rest on sketchy statistics and think the defense is fine. The poor run D must be focused on.

Sandy Vagina 12-23-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 11214455)
So your suggestion is to switch to a scheme that you know nothing about, and we do not have the current personnel for. Brilliant. I'd love to hear your opinion on what KC needs to do offensively in order to fix the lack of production. Maybe go back to the T formation? Perhaps a little swinging-gate tomfoolery is in order? Less reads for Alex!

No reason to be an asshole about it. Dude is just pondering something to consider. You considered it.. don't like... now just toddle off.


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