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O.city 04-28-2015 10:44 AM

No. They don't.

It's not 1995.

They need athletes who can run and not have to come off he field on 3rd down.

DaKCMan AP 04-28-2015 10:47 AM

2016 CB class is better.

Vernon Hargreaves
Kendall Fuller
Cam Sutton
Eric Murray

DaneMcCloud 04-28-2015 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11463288)
For our 3-4 we definitely do need a thumper...

I think that's only because they haven't been able to acquire the right pieces.

They had high hopes for JMJ but he hasn't been the Malcolm Smith type guy they had hoped for initially. They're looking for guys like Smith and Wagner and once they acquire them, look out. This defense will be Top 5, at least.

Warpaint69 04-28-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11463282)
I think Kendrick and Anthony will both be better, immediately, than any version of DJ from 2005-2009.

The Chiefs don't need a "Thumper". They need two athletic, smart ILBer's like the Seahawks have in Smith and Wagner.

My thoughts as well. Would love to have 2 ILB's that can play all 3 downs.

Bowser 04-28-2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11463288)
For our 3-4 we definitely do need a thumper...

Eh, I don't necessarily disagree, but in today's practical run-n-shoot NFL, ILB'ers that are mobile and can cover are every bit as important as the Levon Kirkland types that are there essentially to stop the run.

Rausch 04-28-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11463293)
No. They don't.

It's not 1995.

They need athletes who can run and not have to come off he field on 3rd down.

I doubt we keep 4 LB's on the field on 3rd down.

Al Bundy 04-28-2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11463038)
Not for this team.

And, IMO, he's a better CB at the same level in the same system as Sean Smith was.

His initial jam is near perfect and he's got better turn and flip than Smith at the same stage.

He is a safety in the NFL.....

DaneMcCloud 04-28-2015 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11463332)
I doubt we keep 4 LB's on the field on 3rd down.

If the Chiefs had the "right" ILBers, then absolutely, they'd be on the field for all three downs.

It's been their Achilles Heel (pardon the pun, DJ) for the past decade or more: ILBer's that can't cover TE's or slants and wheel routes.

Rausch 04-28-2015 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11463664)
If the Chiefs had the "right" ILBers, then absolutely, they'd be on the field for all three downs.

It's been their Achilles Heel (pardon the pun, DJ) for the past decade or more: ILBer's that can't cover TE's or slants and wheel routes.

It depends on what DJ comes back like. If he's almost his old self we'll be fine there. With our pass rush and the addition of another corner at some point in the draft that should hopefully keep our pass D in the tops of the NFL.

I think it's much more important to keep teams from being able to run it down our throats. That running game tires and slows the pass rush...

RunKC 04-28-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11463215)
That's only because the Chiefs linebackers can't cover. You put a guy like Eric Kendricks in there and it all stops.

Look at Denver in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks. Their ILBers can cover and disrupt crossing and wheel routes, which resulted in shutting down Denver's offense.

It's all about the ILBers, IMO.

I agree. I can also see Paul Dawson being an option. He ran a 4.75 at his pro day and he plays fast.

The guy understands how to play In coverage and he can shed OL.

Pitt Gorilla 04-28-2015 01:29 PM

Waynes' shuttle is slower than his 40. Has that EVER happened with a CB previously? Do not want.

Saccopoo 04-28-2015 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11463702)
I agree. I can also see Paul Dawson being an option. He ran a 4.75 at his pro day and he plays fast.

The guy understands how to play In coverage and he can shed OL.

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DaneMcCloud 04-28-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11463687)
It depends on what DJ comes back like. If he's almost his old self we'll be fine there. With our pass rush and the addition of another corner at some point in the draft that should hopefully keep our pass D in the tops of the NFL.

I think it's much more important to keep teams from being able to run it down our throats. That running game tires and slows the pass rush...

He's still 32 years old. The Chiefs need to find his successor, whether it's this draft or next year.

Easy 6 04-28-2015 04:27 PM

I'm seeing Dane and some others make a pretty good case for a guy like Kendricks, its kinda starting to sway me.

Pro - my draft guides are a mix of "an instinctive, aggressive, sure tackler with the speed and fluid athleticism to turn and run with with most tight ends", sounds great for handling the aforementioned crossing routes.

Hey, sounds pretty ****ing good to me, but...

Con - 6'0 230, does he have the kind of frame to handle another ten pounds? I dont wanna see Donnie Edwards being dragged all over the field again.

Perryman intrigues me too, he's short at 5'11 but love descriptors like "very active sideline to sideline, sheds blockers, good instincts, a very violent tackler... like that part in particular, this defense still needs a dude that plays with very bad intentions.


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