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Dave Lane 06-12-2015 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 11546356)
How Hitler Could Have Won the War is a great book, a little scary even. A lot could have changed on decisions that his generals suggested but was ignored.


Once Barbarossa failed all the great generals of history rolled into one couldn't have saved the nazis. It was over. Hitler fought exactly the right strategy to prolong his life. It had disastrous consequences for the German people and Wehrmacht but it prolonged his rule as much as could possibly be done.

Dave Lane 06-12-2015 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11546459)
All he had to do was one thing: enlist the help of the revolutionaries in the Baltics and the Slavs in the South (Ukraine & the Caucusus). Both were ripe for the cause and overt sympathizers when they arrived, hating Stalin and the Communist regime. Had he done that, he'd have taken over Leningrand - probably - and the Caucuses with their oil fields - certainly.


Without having to divert Army Group Centre down to Ukraine, he could've pushed through the last 20 miles to Moscow and knocked out their command apparatus. And would've avoided the loss at Stalingrad down South, and commandeered all the oil in the Caucuses.

The first aspect is one Hitler would have never tolerated. Nor his apparatus.

The Minsk encirclement doomed Barbarossa but eliminated 1 million Russian soldiers. If Moscow is taken it cuts almost all the rail lines the government is forced to fail back to the Urals and at best Stalin can stalemate the Germans going forward. The Minsk encirclement was backed by Hitler and his generals that feared a million Russians on their flank. Had the weather not changed it would have been a moot point. Both would have collapsed.

listopencil 06-12-2015 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11546360)
Going from memory, the final straw was when he compared NAZI members to not being any different than Republicans and Democrats. Just "party members."

Well...how far off was he, really?

Psyko Tek 06-12-2015 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11545734)
What technology?

the spear of destiny
the ark of the covenant
philosopher's stone
the holy grail
the brass monkey
the jewel of the nile
the last of the mohicans

you know shit like that

and that dude's false eye

listopencil 06-12-2015 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 11546984)
the spear of destiny
the ark of the covenant
philosopher's stone
the holy grail
the brass monkey
the jewel of the nile
the last of the mohicans

you know shit like that

and that dude's false eye

You forgot the monkey fist.

Pitt Gorilla 06-12-2015 11:29 PM

Man, people were sick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

GloucesterChief 06-13-2015 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11546992)

Yes. Unit 731 is almost unknown in the West but they were the Japanese version of Dr. Mengele. IIRC, their strain of bubonic plague is still killing people in China.

ChiTown 06-13-2015 09:03 AM

BTW, thanks for the post Amno. That was an extremely insightful video. I'm a WWII buff. My Pops was a pilot for the U.S. Army Air Corp from 1939-45. Loved talking to him about his experience when he served - when he would actually talk about it, which was somewhat rare. Anyway, thanks for the link!

Eleazar 06-13-2015 09:59 AM

In high school and thereabout I wouldn't consider myself to have been a real civil war buff, but I did a lot of reading about it.

WWII is so interesting though, and the volume of what's been written about it and the scale of the conflict just leave it to where it's one of the most fascinating topics in human history to study. You can find more of these riveting stories every day, and you could study it as an interest for the rest of your life and probably never run out of new material.

I always find myself asking, what would I have been doing if I'd been alive then? Being in that situation must bring things out of you that you never knew were there, both good and bad, and undoubtedly would change you forever too.

Eleazar 06-13-2015 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11547077)
Yes. Unit 731 is almost unknown in the West but they were the Japanese version of Dr. Mengele. IIRC, their strain of bubonic plague is still killing people in China.

I heard from an aged relative once, now deceased, that in Korea the brutality of the two Korean sides toward each other was shocking even to people who had fought against the Japanese a few years earlier. I don't know as much as I should about Korea, but it sounds like those two sides were just ruthless.

GloucesterChief 06-13-2015 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11547131)
I heard from an aged relative once, now deceased, that in Korea the brutality of the two Korean sides toward each other was shocking even to people who had fought against the Japanese a few years earlier. I don't know as much as I should about Korea, but it sounds like those two sides were just ruthless.

The North Koreans were absolutely brutal when they invaded the South, basically purging whole entire villages and such. When the tide of the war turned the South Koreans paid them back in kind.

It was pretty ugly on both sides.

Rain Man 06-13-2015 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11547129)
In high school and thereabout I wouldn't consider myself to have been a real civil war buff, but I did a lot of reading about it.

WWII is so interesting though, and the volume of what's been written about it and the scale of the conflict just leave it to where it's one of the most fascinating topics in human history to study. You can find more of these riveting stories every day, and you could study it as an interest for the rest of your life and probably never run out of new material.

I always find myself asking, what would I have been doing if I'd been alive then? Being in that situation must bring things out of you that you never knew were there, both good and bad, and undoubtedly would change you forever too.

Based on this thread, let's see where you would have been if you had joined the Navy: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...287316&page=16

(Rolling dice.)

You would have been on the Fletcher-Class Destroyer USS Wedderburn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wedderburn_(DD-684)

You would have seen some action but your ship was never damaged, so you would have come home with some good stories and little trauma.


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