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ChiefsCountry 06-16-2015 10:25 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Cardinals will post all the hacked documents on WachaLeaks.</p>&mdash; Steve Rushin (@SteveRushin) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteveRushin/status/610839944836317184">June 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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DJ's left nut 06-16-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11551289)
Better just hope the Cardinals didn't nab a guy the Astros were extremely high on in the draft or something, with a paper trail. That would be the most egregious thing that could happen, IMO.

For example, if there is an email chain in the Cardinals files (which the FBI now has reason to go after) about a player (Say, Michael Wacha) and how the Cards should jump up their evaluation of him based on info from the Astros database, I imagine that would draw attention from the FBI and MLB...

Wacha was definitely the first name that came to mind for me as well. It was immediately after Luhnow left. My only thought being that the timelines on this suggest that this probably didn't happen until a little after Luhnow was gone. I'd imagine some guys in the front office saw/read/heard what Luhnow was doing now that he was in charge in Houston for awhile. They'd have started poking around and found something shortly thereafter.

The timelines will be made clear soon enough, but if I'm guessing I'm going to say this is probably something that happened in the 2013 range. So Wacha would likely not be in play but perhaps Jack Flaherty got bumped up? Kaminsky? I'd say the information would have likely been used in the 2013 and 2014 drafts.

C3HIEF3S 06-16-2015 10:53 AM

lol

Eleazar 06-16-2015 10:55 AM

This is a much bigger deal that Spygate, Deflategate, etc., if it were true.

Actual real-world felonies, actual cyber intrusions, actual people going to prison for those crimes being a distinct possibility.

Aside from that, you have potentially priceless information being stolen about player personnel, trade discussions etc etc.

Outside of actually throwing games, this would be as bad as it gets. Steroids are bad, but that's an individual crime by one player. This could be the biggest scandal since 1919. It's hard to think of any examples of cheating on this level in baseball

Anyone involved should be banned for life.

Amnorix 06-16-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11551347)
This is a much bigger deal that Spygate, Deflategate, etc., if it were true.

Actual real-world felonies, actual cyber intrusions, actual people going to prison for those crimes being a distinct possibility.

Aside from that, you have potentially priceless information being stolen about player personnel, trade discussions etc etc.

Outside of actually throwing games, this would be as bad as it gets. Steroids are bad, but that's an individual crime by one player. This could be the biggest scandal since 1919.

Anyone involved should be banned for life.

Thank you. I'm really glad that someone gets this.

Computer hacking is a federal freaking crime.

ChiTown 06-16-2015 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11551347)
This is a much bigger deal that Spygate, Deflategate, etc., if it were true.

Actual real-world felonies, actual cyber intrusions, actual people going to prison for those crimes being a distinct possibility.

Aside from that, you have potentially priceless information being stolen about player personnel, trade discussions etc etc.

Outside of actually throwing games, this would be as bad as it gets. Steroids are bad, but that's an individual crime by one player. This could be the biggest scandal since 1919.

Anyone involved should be banned for life.

Agreed. Including the entire Cardinals Franchise..............

Eleazar 06-16-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11551351)
Thank you. I'm really glad that someone gets this.

Computer hacking is a federal freaking crime.

We had the Black Sox, now the Black Birds?

Mr. Flopnuts 06-16-2015 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11551351)
Thank you. I'm really glad that someone gets this.

Computer hacking is a federal freaking crime.

Your team isn't absolved. They'll just have partners in crime now.

Hootie 06-16-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11551359)
Your team isn't absolved. They'll just have partners in crime now.

but it was just a little bit of air !

Mr. Flopnuts 06-16-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11551369)
but it was just a little bit of air !

It was probably only 3 or 4 emails!

Amnorix 06-16-2015 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11551359)
Your team isn't absolved. They'll just have partners in crime now.


ROFL

Except what the Patriots did was no "crime". You do get the difference between federal laws and NFL rules, I hope?

Amnorix 06-16-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11551369)
but it was just a little bit of air !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11551371)
It was probably only 3 or 4 emails!


ROFL

Except it might not have been ANY air. The physical evidence is weak as hell. Heck, the New York Times, relying on an independent research report, blew the Wells Report out of the water.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/op...gate.html?_r=0

Quote:

Our recommendation? When the N.F.L. hears Mr. Brady’s appeal of his suspension later this month, it should proceed with the knowledge that the Wells report is unreliable.

http://www.aei.org/publication/on-wells-report/

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploa...lls-report.pdf

Big punchline:

Quote:

The fact that the average pressure of the Colts balls was significantly above the prediction of the Ideal Gas Law, while that of the Patriots balls was not, is inconsistent with the findings of the Wells report. Our conclusion that the warming of the balls during halftime is the key factor overlooked in the Wells report is supported by the observation that the readings of the intercepted Patriots football, measured separately from the other Patriots balls, came in almost precisely at the prediction of the law. Under the hypothesis asserted by the Well report, the odds of this Patriots ball matching the Ideal Gas Law prediction were between 1 out of 3 and 1 out of
300. It is therefore unlikely that the Patriots deflated the footballs.

kstater 06-16-2015 11:17 AM

The postseason ban will be fun

Hootie 06-16-2015 11:18 AM

yeah

Kraft just accepted forfeiture of a 1st round pick, 4th round pick, and $1M because the Patriots did nothing wrong

that's what innocent people do

yep

DJ's left nut 06-16-2015 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 11551351)
Thank you. I'm really glad that someone gets this.

Computer hacking is a federal freaking crime.

So is possession of a controlled substance; i.e. the steroid scandal. And at least that would hand provided a substantial competitive advantage.

The legal ramifications of a scandal aren't as critical to me as its impact of the play on the field.

Ultimately I see this as roughly equivalent in terms of degree to the BoSox winning the WS with Manny being as drugged as a racehorse.


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