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DJ's left nut 07-17-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 11603483)
You're right. I'm super mad that Houston's contract ended a year earlier than Von's.

The Broncos get about a $5 million discount on Miller due to his roughly $10 million 5th yr player option being picked up this season. That's certainly not insignificant but if there's a substantial rise in the cap next season, that will end up eating up some of those gains as Miller will expect a commensurate increase over what Houston got.

On balance there's really no distinction either way that I can figure out, I'm just happy that the Chiefs got it done. Now you guys can stress about getting your franchise pass-rusher locked up next year and I'll sit back content with the future of our defense being pretty secure.

notorious 07-17-2015 01:26 PM

Why does Denver fan have to be douche about Houston's contract?

Miller and Houston are both excellent players. Be happy they play for your team and shut the **** up about it.

TimBone 07-17-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11603493)
And this is why he's worth the money.

He's not DT.

He's DT that can cover and stuff the run.

Prepare to be pissed off - he's better than DT...

That's a Q, brah. A few of us have already been saying that.

TimBone 07-17-2015 01:33 PM

And to Staylor and the other Catapano homer, how about we see Catapano on the field for a game or two after this year long mystery injury before we proclaim him an all pro. JFC.

jjchieffan 07-17-2015 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 11603180)

Thanks for posting the link. I meant to do it and got sidetracked

RealSNR 07-17-2015 02:14 PM

Catapano is on the last year of his contract.

Think Justin Houston money will be enough to keep him in town?

ThaVirus 07-17-2015 02:16 PM

Better offer him a Suh deal pronto just to be safe. Can't let that kind of talent leave town.

The Franchise 07-17-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11603782)
Better offer him a Suh deal pronto just to be safe. Can't let that kind of talent leave town.

Better offer him more than Suh got.

MagicHef 07-17-2015 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11603660)
And trying to compare Hali's coverage responsibilities as a weakside LBer (as you've noted, he does nothing in coverage) to the SOLB who oftentimes will be tasked with covering the TE is equally absurd.

That's why I'm not exactly sure what the hell point you're trying to make here. Houston was given actual legitimate coverage responsibilities and he did a pretty damn good job with them especially in light of the fact that we had no DJ all season, who was our top coverage linebacker and in his absence we asked Houston to do more.

I feel like you're just arguing because you feel compelled to do so but you don't seem to actually be making any salient points here.

Can you provide evidence that Houston is actually asked to do more than drop a few yards and stand? Looking at his coverage stats, the passes he is defending are all very close to the LOS. For instance, in the Buffalo game he gave up 34 yards on passes, and 39 yards were after the catch. That means the average pass he was defending was caught behind the line of scrimmage. I'm not sure I've ever seen an LB go cover someone one-on-one in the backfield.

chiefzilla1501 07-17-2015 02:46 PM

Pissing match aside, there's one thing to really like about the contract. The chiefs are trying to pay it off quickly. That means that when Houston is 30, Chiefs will have leverage to renegotiate out of the last two years into a contract more suitable for a 30+ player.

But if the chiefs are pressed for cap? Easy fix. That year you can convert his base salary to bonus.

MagicHef 07-17-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 11603669)
Why does Denver fan have to be douche about Houston's contract?

Miller and Houston are both excellent players. Be happy they play for your team and shut the **** up about it.

I actually don't think I've said a single thing about Houston's contract.

staylor26 07-17-2015 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 11603687)
And to Staylor and the other Catapano homer, how about we see Catapano on the field for a game or two after this year long mystery injury before we proclaim him an all pro. JFC.

Holy shit. Since when did saying good situational pass rusher = All-pro?

I guess Jimmy Wilkerson was an All-Pro then. Can't believe we let him get away :rolleyes:

DJ's left nut 07-17-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 11603812)
Can you provide evidence that Houston is actually asked to do more than drop a few yards and stand? Looking at his coverage stats, the passes he is defending are all very close to the LOS. For instance, in the Buffalo game he gave up 34 yards on passes, and 39 yards were after the catch. That means the average pass he was defending was caught behind the line of scrimmage. I'm not sure I've ever seen an LB go cover someone one-on-one in the backfield.

I have no idea where to look up something like that.

But your belief is that a 3-4 strong side backer who doesn't leave the field in nickel situations can be asked to simply drop and stand? Sorry, but that's just illogical, especially when we play a cover 1 and use the SS as a CFer.

When we had DJ, it was something we could do a bit more often but when he went down, Houston was absolutely asked to take on more coverage responsibility. When we had Berry at SS playing box safety as opposed to Parker taking deep coverage it was something we could get away with but not once Berry went down and we made some pretty radical adjustments to our coverages. It's both part of the nature of the position and a simple reality made necessary by the personnel losses we suffered. Akeem Jordan damn sure wasn't dropping back in base packages. Mauga was generally asked to cover the area vacated by Hali's rush even when we were in zones (as Hali was almost purely a rush-backer) and Parker was playing a true CF.

All I can tell you is what I saw as a STH and what I know about our system. It would have been pretty difficult for the SOLB to not have at least the occasional legitimate coverage responsibilities.

MagicHef 07-17-2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11603851)
I have no idea where to look up something like that.

But your belief is that a 3-4 strong side backer who doesn't leave the field in nickel situations can be asked to simply drop and stand? Sorry, but that's just illogical, especially when we play a cover 1 and use the SS as a CFer.

When we had DJ, it was something we could do a bit more often but when he went down, Houston was absolutely asked to take on more coverage responsibility. When we had Berry at SS playing box safety as opposed to Parker taking deep coverage it was something we could get away with but not once Berry went down and we made some pretty radical adjustments to our coverages. It's both part of the nature of the position and a simple reality made necessary by the personnel losses we suffered. Akeem Jordan damn sure wasn't dropping back in base packages. Mauga was generally asked to cover the area vacated by Hali's rush even when we were in zones (as Hali was almost purely a rush-backer) and Parker was playing a true CF.

All I can tell you is what I saw as a STH and what I know about our system. It would have been pretty difficult for the SOLB to not have at least the occasional legitimate coverage responsibilities.

These are the catches he gave up over the season:

Frank Gore; 1 yard; 8 YAC; caught 7 yards behind LOS
Fred Jackson; 6 yards, 7 YAC; caught 1 yard behind LOS
Chris Hogan; 4 yards; 3 YAC; caught 1 yard past the LOS
2 catches to Bryce Brown; 24 yards; 29 YAC; caught an average of 2.5 yards behind the LOS
Emmanuel Sanders; -5 yards; 0 YAC; caught 5 yards behind the LOS
CJ Anderson; 15 yards; 13 YAC; caught 2 yards past the LOS

Not a single pass more than 2 yards past the LOS.

chiefzilla1501 07-17-2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11603832)
Holy shit. Since when did saying good situational pass rusher = All-pro?

I guess Jimmy Wilkerson was an All-Pro then. Can't believe we let him get away :rolleyes:

Even still, how can you call him good at something he's never even done?


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