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The Franchise 10-23-2015 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827777)
So our wrs aren't getting open?

They are.....


Just not Alex Smith open.

Discuss Thrower 10-23-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827773)
We have no clue about ford yet because they won't put him on the field. Maybe that's enough evidence, but I'd imagine that one is undecided.

But kelce is the only one? Not likely. And because a 4th round pick is a gadget, it's a whiff?

I think you generally have a decent grip on things but the over exaggeration seems to be something you have a grasp on.

Fwiw, Gaines was playing pretty well as a 2nd year player at the Nickel spot as well.

So I th8nk you're overdoing it a bit here

Whatever Gaines brings to the table is outweighed by the rest of the class.

Ford sucks by the fact he can't unseat Hali.. and Hali should have retired a year ago. And yeah Thomas was a 4th rounder but in what world did it make sense to take a 5'9 kick returner when the team had holes at #2 WR and just about every OL spot outside of center?

O.city 10-23-2015 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11827792)
Whatever Gaines brings to the table is outweighed by the rest of the class.

Ford sucks by the fact he can't unseat Hali.. and Hali should have retired a year ago. And yeah Thomas was a 4th rounder but in what world did it make sense to take a 5'9 kick returner when the team had holes at #2 WR and just about every OL spot outside of center?

You're looking at 7 picks normally, if you hit 3 of those it's a solid draft. I think your over valuing expectations here.

They should have let Hali walk or retire, I agree therr. But I'm not ready to walk from ford yet because I think it's just not enough info.

They've also hit on alot of UDFA in this year's so its not quite as bleak as its being made out to be.

Just as with every other regime we've seen, they made the wrong decision with the qb and the trickle down effect is likely to get them fired, which is ironic because I'm guessing that was their fear, causing them to go conservative

chiefzilla1501 10-23-2015 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827755)
That's exactly opposite of reality and hope to hell that's not Dorsey's belief.

A QB like Alex Smith must have an above average OL to be successful. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is good enough to elevate his OL. This shouldn't be about not giving a shit about Alex Smith's health, it's about being successful as a team. If Dorsey said '**** it' who cares if Alex Smith gets killed by a shitty OL then he is the wrong professional. That's how idiot fans think not a NFL GM.

If you're building around Alex Smith, you need an elite defense and an elite running game. Then you need excellent tight ends. After you've but all that and you've paid your QB 20 m, exactly how much do you have left to now need an elite ol? And for what? Is adding an extra second of time going to help Alex go vertical? Is he goong to use his pocket better? Make progressions? No. It will buy him more time to stare down his number 1 receiver and then go to his check down. You think an ol is going to help Alex Smith go through progressions?

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

RealSNR 10-23-2015 03:25 PM

I'd also rather we keep drafting more WRs until we actually hit on some guys.

Conley was a good pick, and I think he can still be a good WR in the league (a WR3 at the very least... not in the slot, though). Wilson still has value.

But if we're in the position to draft a WR who will come in and bump each of those guys down one notch on the depth chart, why wouldn't we?

It's even more imperative that we get our QB at the same time, though. Alex hasn't "developed" one ****ing WR in his entire goddamn career. The closest he's come is Brandon Lloyd, and that's only because Lloyd was a rookie under Alex. He busted out and played well elsewhere.

Mr. Laz 10-23-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11827808)
If you're building around Alex Smith, you need an elite defense and an elite running game. Then you need excellent tight ends. After you've but all that and you've paid your QB 20 m, exactly how much do you have left to now need an elite ol?

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

Where did i say anything about elite receivers?


I said quality players

The Franchise 10-23-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 11827810)
I'd also rather we keep drafting more WRs until we actually hit on some guys.

Conley was a good pick, and I think he can still be a good WR in the league (a WR3 at the very least... not in the slot, though). Wilson still has value.

But if we're in the position to draft a WR who will come in and bump each of those guys down one notch on the depth chart, why wouldn't we?

It's even more imperative that we get our QB at the same time, though. Alex hasn't "developed" one ****ing WR in his entire goddamn career. The closest he's come is Brandon Lloyd, and that's only because Lloyd was a rookie under Alex. He busted out and played well elsewhere.

http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads.../6_3840150.jpg

O.city 10-23-2015 03:32 PM

Why are the current wrs not quality players laz? I'm not trying to argue I'm just curious as to where that's coming from?

jspchief 10-23-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827648)
Just stop it with this bullshit


you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions

Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.

Discuss Thrower 10-23-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11827808)

Oh, and according to you, we also need elite receivers too. Maybe if we surround Alex Smith with the ray Lewis Ravens defense and the 2003 Colts offensive supporting cast, then maybe Alex Smith can win playoff games.

It's almost like no one realized this was the only way to win a SB with Smith.

PHOG 10-23-2015 05:47 PM

Agreed

PHOG 10-23-2015 05:48 PM

Any disputes?

Mr. Laz 10-23-2015 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11827861)
Didn't they just sign a top FA WR and draft a WR also? The wr position is not that bad.

Yes, we got Maclin ... a great addition.

Right now Maclin is the only NFL starter level WR we have.

Maclin - yes
Conley - isn't ready yet
Wilson - can't stay healthy
Dat - not even as good as McCluster
Frankie Hammond - no
Brian Parker - Who?

So where is this NFL level receiver corp? It's not on our roster.

We don't even have 2 starters yet.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-23-2015 09:12 PM

They are the most embarrassing piece of shit to be sure.

And stupidest.

Psyko Tek 10-23-2015 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11827182)
And here's the question, would you rather try to make chicken salad out of chicken shit with

a talentless team that plays hard
or
a talented team that plays soft?

Which quandary is more easily fixed IYO?

I am thinking the second
a good coach can fix guys that can play

takes a great coach to fix guys that can't play

we got neither right now

rather have Gunther just because he yells at the crowd, like coaches the will yell what the ****
and flip people off, sorry George
but Jebus give me a coach that cares about winning


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