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Simply Red 12-26-2015 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11975014)
You're understating his work, but we're largely saying the same thing.

I think this part of your post is nice and offers hope to mankind on CP. Very diplomatic post - you're a kind man and willing to meet folk half way - and I've always like that about you - you seem VERY sweet!

Buehler445 12-26-2015 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11975704)
I'm not going to thread swerve.

If anyone wants to address this, feel free to bump up the Herm thread and post there. I stand behind my comment that Herm inherited a sinking Titanic and didn't do bad with personnel considering the situation he inherited. We made more than enough posts in those 2 days for people to read and respond.

But your solution to a bad cap and aging stars is 2-14. Why don't you endorse that with the 2014 season?

milkman 12-26-2015 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11975715)
But your solution to a bad cap and aging stars is 2-14. Why don't you endorse that with the 2014 season?

To be fair, he endorsed the plan for 2014 without any certainty of how that season turned out.

He would still be backing that plan even if it had turned out 2-14.

I am one of those that he gets a ton of shit from, but he deserves credit when he gets it right.

Direckshun 12-26-2015 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 11975709)
I think this part of your post is nice and offers hope to mankind on CP. Very diplomatic post - you're a kind man and willing to meet folk half way - and I've always like that about you - you seem VERY sweet!

Only two CP members seem to know me that well, luv and DMAC (possibly Flop as well), and I think they'd both say I'm relatively sweet.

KChiefs1 12-26-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd (Post 11975596)
Dorsey knows his shit more than any Chief GM that I can think of.


This

Buehler445 12-26-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11975717)
To be fair, he endorsed the plan for 2014 without any certainty of how that season turned out.

He would still be backing that plan even if it had turned out 2-14.

I am one of those that he gets a ton of shit from, but he deserves credit when he gets it right.

But he spent day upon days telling me that draft position is important (it's not. Good teams don't draft high). Why isn't he raging about all the "meaningless wins" 2014 brought along?

I'm just flipping him shit for throwing stones while just getting done telling me Herm didn't wreck the franchise. I didn't pay a damn bit of attention to what zilla in 2014. Our only 2 hired guys quit and I was killing myself with hours. It sucked.

Buehler445 12-26-2015 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11975719)
Only two CP members seem to know me that well, luv and DMAC (possibly Flop as well), and I think they'd both say I'm relatively sweet.

Sweet? There is an adjective I don't use often describing grown ass men. But if you can get sweet done, kudos.

Direckshun 12-26-2015 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11975723)
Sweet? There is an adjective I don't use often describing grown ass men. But if you can get sweet done, kudos.

They would probably describe me as sweet.

chiefzilla1501 12-26-2015 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11975722)
But he spent day upon days telling me that draft position is important (it's not. Good teams don't draft high). Why isn't he raging about all the "meaningless wins" 2014 brought along?

I'm just flipping him shit for throwing stones while just getting done telling me Herm didn't wreck the franchise. I didn't pay a damn bit of attention to what zilla in 2014. Our only 2 hired guys quit and I was killing myself with hours. It sucked.

Let's be clear about this.

I have never promoted tanking for draft position. But I did say that when you rebuild, yeah, I'd rather lose 14 games playing young prospects than lose 12 games with band-aid middling veterans. Yes, I view those as meaningless wins. The roster Herm inherited was geriatric and it not only took up the entire cap, it led to a multi-year cap mess.

Herm needed to sledgehammer the roster. If anything, he should have done it sooner. Dorsey was given plenty to build upon (7-8 pro bowlers, reasonable cap space). There was no need to sledgehammer that 2014 roster. Just wait it out for one year, wait for some shit to clean up, then make a move in 2015... which they did, and they did it effectively.

Buehler445 12-26-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11975769)
Let's be clear about this.

I have never promoted tanking for draft position. But I did say that when you rebuild, yeah, I'd rather lose 14 games playing young prospects than lose 12 games with band-aid middling veterans. Yes, I view those as meaningless wins. The roster Herm inherited was geriatric and it not only took up the entire cap, it led to a multi-year cap mess.

Herm needed to sledgehammer the roster. If anything, he should have done it sooner. Dorsey was given plenty to build upon (7-8 pro bowlers, reasonable cap space). There was no need to sledgehammer that 2014 roster. Just wait it out for one year, wait for some shit to clean up, then make a move in 2015... which they did, and they did it effectively.

You obviously never took the time to read my assertions. I asserted that if Herm were worth half a **** at personnel he'd have found some depth for not a lot of money like Dorsey had. You turned that into high priced free agents for "meaningless wins." And you touted how Pioli was given the third overall pick as if it was something other than the team being a goddamned hot garbage ****ing cluster**** disaster.

This whole thread is about there was no cap space. The guys on the defense were old, save Poe Houston and Berry, who was not nearly as effective at the time as he is this season. The defense had just collapsed the whole season - capped off with the incredible playoff loss.

The offense was extremely limited. Smith was ineffective against better defenses and was over 30 (IIRC). And about 80% of the production came from 1 RB that was almost 30. The WR corps had ****all besides and old slow Bowe.

On the whole, most of the playmakers were old save a few young guys along with using a good chunk of the cap to get back to competitive. To top it all off we had just floundered on yet another playoff run.

The situation is not all that different from what Vermiel left. The cap in terms of being ****ed for the next year wasn't as bad, but Dorsey sold out to get the team not a total shit****, much like Vermiel sold out to win in the playoffs. And the offense wasn't as good as Vermeils and the defense wasn't as bad, but the defense couldn't hold a 28 point lead against a crap team. And all the offensive production came from a RB that is over the hill in RB standards.

Why no sledgehammer? Why is it perfectly acceptable for Herm to butt**** the franchise? Yet you aren't screaming for Dorsey to dump everybody worth a **** so we can "get young (shitty) guys snaps?

Why?

Saccopoo 12-26-2015 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 11975723)
Sweet? There is an adjective I don't use often describing grown ass men. But if you can get sweet done, kudos.

I think Direckshun is sweet. He's a sweet man. You hear that term when it's appropriate and I believe that it's appropriate here.

Perhaps we should start a poll?

Pasta Little Brioni 12-26-2015 10:57 AM

He's Voyager

NJChiefsFan 12-26-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11975669)
I stick my neck out probably farther than anybody on this board, and I learned years ago to just roll with it. In the last three years, I supported taking Geno Smith #1 overall and Cameron Erving last year.

It's a hobby, and I never claimed to be a pro, just an enthusiastic amateur who enjoys predicting and watching what the pros do.

And for the record, despite my preferences, I ****ing nailed what the Chiefs were going to do in 2015's draft.

It's very clear who on here posts opinions because they NEED to be smarter than everyone else about the Chiefs. Their posts are all saturated with that agenda.

Being confident or even arrogant about a particular opinion is different. I don't see how people can see you as one trying to look down on others.

Rausch 12-26-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11975691)
Cp would fire everyone every year, but time has shown that Dorsey is doing a pretty good job.

This offseason had a lot to do with that.

This year, instead of "projects" or "depth" we drafted two players who came in and started day 1.

Our 1st and 2nd round picks came in, played well, and erased big holes on this team.

THAT is getting value out of your draft. Just think how many games Peters has won for us. And Morse has been our most healthy lineman all year. Not only that but the rookie even played elsewhere on the line.

ThaVirus 12-26-2015 01:27 PM

Unfortunately I'd say Reid has been our lost healthy lineman all year. Or Stephenson.

Funny how that works..


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