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ThaVirus 11-21-2016 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12569672)
DJ's lost at least a step this season, if not two. He missed tackles that in years past, would have been short gains.
He looked bad out there yesterday but a hamstring injury can really **** up mobility, especially at his age.

I'm hoping this issue is resolved quickly and he goes back to being at least a solid B contributor. We'll need him if we plan to make any waves this season.

DJ's left nut 11-21-2016 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12569678)
Dj missed an open field tackle right in front of us that would have ended a drive. I'm thinking his hamstring is still bothering him.

However, I didn't really feel the run d was bad.
DJ's been missing tackles all year. The hamstring doesn't help, but Dane's right - he's just not as good as he used to be.

It happens to everyone. He's not getting better from here forward so they'll need to figure something out.

O.city 11-21-2016 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12569685)
DJ's been missing tackles all year. The hamstring doesn't help, but Dane's right - he's just not as good as he used to be.

It happens to everyone. He's not getting better from here forward so they'll need to figure something out.
True.

ThaVirus is right on the endzone int though. **** that was bad. If he throws that away and they end up taking a field goal, I think they win

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2016 02:54 PM
Cornerback ball skills were also absent yesterday. Ron Parker had a good chance to intercept Winston in the end zone, as did Acker, but neither could bring them in. Winston's too good of a QB to let those chances slip away.

The other thing of note is Smith. The mantra for the past 3+ seasons is play smart, be conservative, don't make risky throws and mistakes. Yet two weeks in a row, he's made very poor decisions, which cost the Chiefs a win yesterday.

If Smith continues to perform in this manner, I think there's no reason why Reid shouldn't turn to Foles, who's younger and throws a better deep ball. If the QB is going to make mistakes, I'd rather have the guy who has a better chance of routinely throwing successful deeps balls as opposed to the guy that doesn't.

I can't express how much I dislike the WCO, especially Reid's horizontal WCO. I pine for the days of the Coryell.

O.city 11-21-2016 02:57 PM
Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it.

But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce.

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2016 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12569706)
People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly
Yeah but that's two weeks in a row in which he's thrown crucial INT's. He can't do that against Denver or Atlanta or the Chiefs will looking at 7-5 with the Raiders on a short week, which would likely put them on the outside looking in for a final Wild Card spot.

Beef Supreme 11-21-2016 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12569358)
Keep acting like they lost by 30.

One drive when you lost by 2 points is pretty damn critical, is it not?

But in the respective number of drives isn't the issue because the Bucs taking long, time consuming drives limits their numbers as well. It's isn't a comparison between the teams but a comparison between the respective weeks.

Getting 7 offensive series in a game is awful. 9 should really be the lowest acceptable number and that's if neither side is playing great offense. A standard defensive battle should really be around 9 drives. But when you just cannot get a team off the field until they've driven deep into your own territory, your offense isn't going to ever get on the field. The defense allowing the Bucs into Chiefs territory on every drive yesterday is the worst stat to come out of that game. The offense led 2 sustained drives for scores. The offense put up 19 despite NO help from the D. The offense still wasn't good, but the defense was absolutely worse.
Why didn't the Chiefs offense make any long time consuming drives, and maybe even, god forbid, score more than 17 points? The Chiefs defense played like ass, but they still held the other team to 19 points. That should be enough to win if our offense wasn't a dumpster fire. Every now and then, the offense needs to win a game for us, instead of relying on the defense every damn game.

ThaVirus 11-21-2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12569706)
Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it.

But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce.

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

He missed Kelce on a drag on what could have been a critical 3rd down.

On the first drive I remarked that it appeared we had 'good Alex' that game.

DJ's left nut 11-21-2016 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 12569721)
Why didn't the Chiefs offense make any long time consuming drives, and maybe even, god forbid, score more than 17 points? The Chiefs defense played like ass, but they still held the other team to 19 points. That should be enough to win if our offense wasn't a dumpster fire. Every now and then, the offense needs to win a game for us, instead of relying on the defense every damn game.
Our offense wasn't a dumpster fire. 2.4 points per possession is above average.

ThaVirus 11-21-2016 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12569706)
Eh, the endzone one was awful, no bones about it.

But he threw it pretty well from where I was sitting yesterday. The deep ball to hill should have been a td with a better throw but it was completed and there were a fee nice deep balls to kelce.

People were up in arms over smith yesterday, mainly because of the endzone int. But outside that, I really couldn't pinpoint him as playing poorly

He missed Kelce on a drag on what could have been a critical 3rd down.

On the first drive I remarked that it appeared we had 'good Alex' that game.

petegz28 11-21-2016 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12569715)
Yeah but that's two weeks in a row in which he's thrown crucial INT's. He can't do that against Denver or Atlanta or the Chiefs will looking at 7-5 with the Raiders on a short week, which would likely put them on the outside looking in for a final Wild Card spot.
Last week's INT was not crucial as far as INT's go. It was very early in the game.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2016 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12569769)
Last week's INT was not crucial as far as INT's go. It was very early in the game.
Had Peters not taken the ball away from Benjamin or if Berry hadn't returned an INT for a TD, the Chiefs would have lost the game.

The bottom line is that Alex Smith is billed as "Smart and Safe". The offense is built around him being "smart and safe".

If he's not those things, there's no reason to continue to limiting the offense.

petegz28 11-21-2016 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12569775)
Had Peters not taken the ball away from Benjamin or if Berry hadn't returned an INT for a TD, the Chiefs would have lost the game.

The bottom line is that Alex Smith is billed as "Smart and Safe". The offense is built around him being "smart and safe".

If he's not those things, there's no reason to continue to limiting the offense.
Okay but you can't start saying an INT early in the 1st Q is crucial. If that's the case then all INT's are crucial and we should never do anything but check down.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2016 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12569779)
Okay but you can't start saying an INT early in the 1st Q is crucial. If that's the case then all INT's are crucial and we should never do anything but check down.
It was crucial to the offense. If Alex Smith is going to through interceptions, then the Chiefs should play the guy that has the better arm.

His usefulness goes out the window if the guy isn't protecting the football.

Sandy Vagina 11-21-2016 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12569678)
Dj missed an open field tackle right in front of us that would have ended a drive. I'm thinking his hamstring is still bothering him.

However, I didn't really feel the run d was bad.
It wasn't that he just missed it either. He put his head down and lunged into open air. Was truly a pathetic, lazy effort. Strange.


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