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BryanBusby 08-21-2017 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13028802)
What? DJ's not been the same player since 2015 and the Chiefs don't value the ILB position. Plus, they've drafted Ramik and Eligwe, traded for KPL and have March as well.

RNR is your NT if Logan isn't re-signed, a punter should be a undrafted Free Agent and the Chiefs have Ford and Houston as their starters, with Nicolas in development.

They're not spending massive amounts of money in Free Agency. Any replacements will be through the draft.

They're not going on some $40 million dollar shopping spree, even if they do release Smith. They'll use that dough to lock up Peters and others.
March is on his way to being a cut and Ramik Wilson will be a UFA next year. KPL is a FA too.

RNR is a FA next year.

They will have to add someone behind Ford, and ideally find his replacement if they aren't certain they will lock him up long term.

staylor26 08-21-2017 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13028820)
March is on his way to being a cut and Ramik Wilson will be a UFA next year. KPL is a FA too.

RNR is a FA next year.

They will have to add someone behind Ford, and ideally find his replacement if they aren't certain they will lock him up long term.
I'm pretty sure RNR isn't a free agent till 2019.

Baby Lee 08-21-2017 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13028747)
I'll say this - there's only one way the Chiefs will ever win the Super Bowl - that's with a charismatic, stud gunslinger QB who garners national attention. One who not only wins games, but captures the imagination, and jersey-sale dollars, of all those soulless bandwagon scumbags who fawn over whoever ESPN tells them to. When Mahomes can line up with the likes of Manning, Brady and Roethlisburger, that's when shit will start to fall in place. That's when those crushing phantom calls and obvious non-calls that nobody cares about but us start going against the other guys. That's when we start being an elite team and stop being a shiny red doormat for the elite teams. Seriously, if Manning can win it all in ****ing shithole Indianapolis, Mahomes can do it in Kansas City.

But Alice can't. He will NEVER be that guy. And every game he starts just delays the future that much more. Get him the **** out of here now while we can get real value for him and jump start the future.
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13028749)
Yep.

We need a star to get the breaks.
There's a Miss America pageant on network TV every year, if that's more your speed.

BryanBusby 08-21-2017 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13028824)
I'm pretty sure RNR isn't a free agent till 2019.
Overthecap says 2017 is his last year under contract.

SAUTO 08-21-2017 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rico (Post 13028490)
To me, one of the most interesting things about Smith going from Smith/Kaepernick to Smith/Mahomes is that in Colin Kaepernick's rookie preseason, he threw for 0 TD's, 5 INT's. In his 2nd year, he threw for 2 TD's 0 INT's.

I think it's safe to say that Mahomes has fared better than Kaep when it comes to challenging Smith for the spot in the preseason...even if starting him is considered out of the question by the Chiefs' staff.
mahomes is better right now than kap ever was or will be

notorious 08-21-2017 02:55 PM
I have no idea what that means Baby Lee.

Ming the Merciless 08-21-2017 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13028810)
I can almost guarantee that the Chiefs aren't going after some high priced WR free agent, especially after moving up for Conley and Chesson along with drafting DAT, Robinson and Hill.

Those "holes" are hardly "massive".

More like a pin hole.
I agree to disagree here. WR isnt important right now because aslex dfoesnt even throw to WR's ....But the crew that we have now hardly has a prototype WR1 stud in it. I think next season we will try to draft a WR and if we dont we most certainly would try and get a FA stud. Why wouldnt we?

PAChiefsGuy 08-21-2017 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 13028798)
Disagree

I do think there will be a fire under him for the obvious reasons plus he wants to showcase himself to get the best pay day /offer that he can in the future

That being said, it will probably mean he will throw a few more picks and incomplete passes as he might try to force things here and there instead of being safe.

This could actually work to our favor as long as the pressure doesn't get to him and he doesnt fall apart.
I agree with this. I think that pass to Kelce in preseason last game was very unSmith-like and certainly not a "safe," throw and I expect to see more throws like this during the regular season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man, you can&#39;t ask for a better throw than this. Alex has looked good throwing the ball down the field this preseason in a small sample size <a href="https://t.co/dH37s6a03d">pic.twitter.com/dH37s6a03d</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/899128765359501312">August 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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No doubt in my mind he will be more aggressive this year. How much more aggressive is the question.

Baby Lee 08-21-2017 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13028837)
I have no idea what that means Baby Lee.
If you want to win the SB on the basis of the refs thinking your QB is cute, maybe try a beauty pageant instead of a sports competition.

notorious 08-21-2017 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13028852)
If you want to win the SB on the basis of the refs thinking your QB is cute, maybe try a beauty pageant instead of a sports competition.
So the greats never get breaks in big games?

DaneMcCloud 08-21-2017 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13028820)
March is on his way to being a cut and Ramik Wilson will be a UFA next year. KPL is a FA too.

RNR is a FA next year.
Ramik Wilson was drafted in 2015, same as RNR. Neither will be eligible for UFA until 2019.

KPL was injured and spent most of his rookie season on IR, so I don't think he'll have enough credited years to become an UFA in 2018.

Again, the Chiefs don't value the ILB position so I'd expect Veach to draft a guy in the late rounds again.

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13028820)
They will have to add someone behind Ford, and ideally find his replacement if they aren't certain they will lock him up long term.
The Chiefs have used the 5th year option on Ford, so he's a Chief until the end of 2018. If he plays well this year, I'd imagine they'll extend him at some point but regardless, they aren't hitting the free agency and dumping $12-15 million on a guy opposite of Houston.

Coochie liquor 08-21-2017 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13028616)
I think they will find ways to get Patrick on the field even if it is some trickery play against the Donkies on a Monday Night. Andy Reid loves doing those kinds of things.
Andy is gonna make VaJona look stupid.

DaneMcCloud 08-21-2017 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13028831)
Overthecap says 2017 is his last year under contract.
He was drafted in 2015. Guys drafted late in the draft sign only 3 year contracts but they're under Club Control for 4 years.

Frazod 08-21-2017 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13028830)
There's a Miss America pageant on network TV every year, if that's more your speed.
In the past 15 years, only twice have there have been AFC quarterbacks in the Super Bowl not named Manning, Brady or Roethlisberger.

Twice. Do you see any sort of ****ing pattern there? :hmmm:

Not sure at this point who the next generation's going to include, but I'd rather be one of the few, because being one of the many sucks. And I'd rather they started ASAP, because I'm not getting any younger.

DaneMcCloud 08-21-2017 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 13028838)
I agree to disagree here. WR isnt important right now because aslex dfoesnt even throw to WR's ....But the crew that we have now hardly has a prototype WR1 stud in it. I think next season we will try to draft a WR and if we dont we most certainly would try and get a FA stud. Why wouldnt we?
Tyreek Hill isn't a #1 receiver?

And no, I do not believe that under any circumstance, the Chiefs are paying $12 million to a free agent WR again.

I think they've learned their lesson, especially since that in the WCO, the #1, TE and RB are the primary receivers with the #2 and #3 way down the list of importance.


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