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OKchiefs 11-24-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 13235797)
He has 7.5 sacks on the season

And got shut down in the 2 games he should have dominated against backup tackles.

TLO 11-24-2017 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13235809)
And got shut down in the 2 games he should have dominated against backup tackles.

:rolleyes:

NJChiefsFan 11-24-2017 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 13235813)
:rolleyes:

It was a very bad showing, the previous posters melodramatics not withstanding. Those are games where leaders like him would ideally step up.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-24-2017 10:49 PM

Anyone trying to dispute Houston's quality of play is just reading the stat sheet... at the beginning of the year I was curious as to what was up with him, and I've watched all-22 of the games this year.

He still dominates when given opportunities to do so, but he's struggling to pile up the mega sack numbers for two reasons. 1) He isn't getting any consistent help from other pass rushers and 2) the coverage has been pretty poor.

Why do you think that Bosa and Ingram are both racking up sacks like crazy? They feed off of each other and it allows them both to have ample 1v1s. Also, their coverage has been better.

NJChiefsFan 11-24-2017 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13235818)
Anyone trying to dispute Houston's quality of play is just reading the stat sheet... at the beginning of the year I was curious as to what was up with him, and I've watched all-22 of the games this year.

He still dominates when given opportunities to do so, but he's struggling to pile up the mega sack numbers for two reasons. 1) He isn't getting any consistent help from other pass rushers and 2) the coverage has been pretty poor.

Why do you think that Bosa and Ingram are both racking up sacks like crazy? They feed off of each other and it allows them both to have ample 1v1s. Also, their coverage has been better.

I pretty much had an all 22 view from my seats. Certainly could be wrong but I didn't see much of anything from him going against an undrafted rookie. Actual sacks aren't really my concern.

pugsnotdrugs19 11-24-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13235823)
I pretty much had an all 22 view from my seats. Certainly could be wrong but I didn't see much of anything from him going against an undrafted rookie. Actual sacks aren't really my concern.

I watched it last night with a focus on Houston. The truth is the defense isn't getting in near enough 3rd & longs to allow the rushers to really go after the QB. Also, he's still dropping into coverage WAY too much. There's no other threat opposite of him so he gets chipped by backs and TEs a ton. Eli, much like Carr did earlier in the season, got rid of the ball extremely fast on Sunday.

And despite all of these factors, Houston still managed 5 QB pressures against NY. He still made a few tremendous plays in run defense. I promise, he's still a force. He's just got a lot of things going against him right now.

Frazod 11-24-2017 11:12 PM

If Derrick Rose played football......

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-24-2017 11:19 PM

Between Houston, Berry, Peters, and Jones, I see plenty to build upon. Nit picking Houston or any of these guys at this point is just pure horse shit. When all four are present, and assuming Veach can add more to the roster, even Sutton will be hard pressed to **** it up.
That said, I'm really ****ing tired of 3-4 Sutton and wish he would ride off to the Land of Metamucil, please.

RunKC 11-24-2017 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 13235848)
Between Houston, Berry, Peters, and Jones, I see plenty to build upon. Nit picking Houston or any of these guys at this point is just pure horse shit. When all four are present, and assuming Veach can add more to the roster, even Sutton will be hard pressed to **** it up.
That said, I'm really ****ing tired of 3-4 Sutton and wish he would ride off to the Land of Metamucil, please.

Nothing he can do. I've seen the old man try several different schemes, including 4 linemen up front.

Dorsey ****ed this coaching staff over hard. When names like Frank Zombo and Josh Mauga are STILL potential starters on your goddamn roster heading into training camp after 3 years and you have no answer, your ass deserves to get escorted out of the building.

The worst problems on this defense are pass rush and corner. Dorsey's entire 2014 draft was about fixing this shit and he drafted two pussies made of glass that deserve nothing but a swift kick in the ass and a sentence to the pit of mysery.

Seriously. If Dee Ford and Philip Gaines were even league average at their positions with the ability to stay on the field, where are we right now? We're probably nowhere near as bad as we've been.

Thankfully Veach made some solid moves in Ragland and KPL. At least they are competent starters with some upside. It took Veach 1 month to find a better ILB than Dorsey did in 4 tries through 4 ****ing years.

Chiefshrink 11-25-2017 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13235818)
They feed off of each other and it allows them both to have ample 1v1s.

You are correct. When there is absolutely no direct threat from the other side of Houston, o-lines can much more easily neutralize Houston or at least significantly slow him down.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-25-2017 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13235875)
Nothing he can do. I've seen the old man try several different schemes, including 4 linemen up front.

Dorsey ****ed this coaching staff over hard. When names like Frank Zombo and Josh Mauga are STILL potential starters on your goddamn roster heading into training camp after 3 years and you have no answer, your ass deserves to get escorted out of the building.

The worst problems on this defense are pass rush and corner. Dorsey's entire 2014 draft was about fixing this shit and he drafted two pussies made of glass that deserve nothing but a swift kick in the ass and a sentence to the pit of mysery.

Seriously. If Dee Ford and Philip Gaines were even league average at their positions with the ability to stay on the field, where are we right now? We're probably nowhere near as bad as we've been.

Thankfully Veach made some solid moves in Ragland and KPL. At least they are competent starters with some upside. It took Veach 1 month to find a better ILB than Dorsey did in 4 tries through 4 ****ing years.

Agreed, though I still vomit at Sutton's cheese-dick 3-4.

MMXcalibur 11-25-2017 02:16 AM

I bet Dee Ford has a torn lab...

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 13105632)
Torn Labia

Never mind, sources close to me say that he has a bruised va....

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 13105662)
Bruised vagina.

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Wait guys, I just heard over the radio! Ford hurt his hooh....

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco (Post 13105665)
Hurt his hooha?

....**** it.

ChiefGator 11-25-2017 05:17 AM

There was a recent article somewhere that showed we have better pass defense overall when Houston drops in coverage. And it wasn't even close.

With no coverage, we can't get the 2-3 seconds needed to even mount pressure on the QB much.

HemiEd 11-25-2017 06:08 AM

This team misses Berry and Poe, a lot, IMO. Gaines is a bust, DJ is a shadow of his old self and the rest of the CBs all have warts. Jones and Houston are it. :(

mcaj22 11-25-2017 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator (Post 13235938)
There was a recent article somewhere that showed we have better pass defense overall when Houston drops in coverage. And it wasn't even close.

With no coverage, we can't get the 2-3 seconds needed to even mount pressure on the QB much.

it shows you how bad the ILBers are if your OLB pass rusher is your best coverage linebacker. They really need a good athletic ILB that can actually play and stop the run and cover the pass to make Suttons stupid scheme work as best as it should.

They could rush Houston more if they had another LBer worth a crap on this team


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