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Pablo 02-17-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13422040)
College hoops is easy. Open up the pocket book and you instantly turn the program around.

mu finally gets the wallet out for MP Jr. and he breaks on them. I'm sure the check still cleared. Typical tigger luck.

Chiefspants 02-17-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13421612)
That's a nice fantasy. Thamel's sources tell him this involves elite programs paying to get players and stay at the top.

If Duke and UNC and Kentucky are paying to get players, so is ku.

All these guys get paid. I actually don't have a problem with it. Just don't pretend ku is above the fray.

You don't get ***** or Top 100 players unless you're kicking something to the families.

This is going to clean out the NCAA. KU included.

Good. That organization is coming close to FIFA in terms of being complete and utter scum.

BWillie 02-17-2018 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13422322)
This is going to clean out the NCAA. KU included.

Good. That organization is coming close to FIFA in terms of being complete and utter scum.

How is it that the NCAA is corrupt when its the shoe companies who are paying the kids? The NCAA is left having to deal with vetting this stuff, which is extremely difficult. This all has to do with the NBA forcing the NCAA to be NBAs free no cost minor league system. All the NBA has to do to be ethical is to pay G league players reasonable wages. The NBA is the most complicit in all of this, by exploiting colleges and the NCAA. The most ridiculous age discrimination tactic is used, and they get away with it. This is not the same as other businesses requiring a degree or certain credentials. The NBA discriminates SOLELY based on age, and nobody cares. And people blame the NCAA and colleges.

I actually have no problems with kids getting paid. But its not the colleges that have to pay anyone. Its a choice you can make to go to college or not. Im all about choices. Nobody is tricking you. If you go, abide by the rules. If not go to a pro league. Simple as that.

If I had to pick a way for this to be done, it would be for the colleges to not pay the players but to allow kids to profit from outside sources on their name and likeness. Allow them to charge for interviews, autographs, shoe deals. Fine. But at no point does a school owe anyone anything.

Chiefspants 02-17-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13422539)
How is it that the NCAA is corrupt .

I don't know, dude. I kind of think folding on delivering punishments for Penn State, Michigan State, Baylor, and Vanderbilt - all colleges that were complicit in covering up horrific and proven sexual violence - I kind of think the NCAA deserves to hang.

If we're talking about the current topic, the NCAA folding on delivering any real punishment to Syracuse and North Carolina for their proven academic abuses was also pretty despicable.

Remember, they gave SMU the death penalty for paying some guys.

It's been obvious that the NCAA has been looking the other way on some pretty despicable crimes for a long time. Let em' burn.

Couch-Potato 02-17-2018 07:38 PM

I'm pretty sure that we're going to see a growing trend of the best HS players playing overseas for a year before joining the NBA. NCAA is a lot of fun, fans are great, and college atmosphere is tough to pass up on but the best of the best should get paid after 18 and NCAA will never offer them an equitable deal.

If you bust out, have a career ending injury, or whatever...at least you made enough $ overseas to pay your way through college.

dirk digler 02-17-2018 07:42 PM

After watching Silver’s PC tonight I wouldn’t expect any kind of change to the 1 and done rule anytime soon.

BWillie 02-17-2018 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13422784)
I'm pretty sure that we're going to see a growing trend of the best HS players playing overseas for a year before joining the NBA. NCAA is a lot of fun, fans are great, and college atmosphere is tough to pass up on but the best of the best should get paid after 18 and NCAA will never offer them an equitable deal.

If you bust out, have a career ending injury, or whatever...at least you made enough $ overseas to pay your way through college.

At the present time, usually the value of the NCAA basketball exposure > making money playing overseas. Because if it didn't, top players would ALWAYS go to Europe. They must value the exposure that NCAA Basketball gives them and it's a great place to improve your game to develop under some great coaches and programs.

duncan_idaho 02-17-2018 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13422294)
Full-time job my ass. There isn’t a Division 1 athlete in the country who is “working” on their sport 10-12 hours per day like most construction workers and roofers in your dumb ass analogy.

The degree mill argument is dumb ass well. If the athlete isn’t smart enough or willing to work hard enough to advance towards a legitimate degree, they have options besides playing college athletics. Life isn’t fair and it isn’t easy. If you want something bad enough, you’ll put in the work to achieve it.

First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?

BigRedChief 02-18-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13422828)
First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?

One benefit you didn't mention. Even though they may get a degree but failed to really learn the material, because they are an athletic alumni they will get jobs or promotions in the real world that if they were just John Doe, they would need some sort of merit to receive that job or promotion.

Chazno 02-23-2018 06:25 AM

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-f...103338484.html
Exclusive: Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools

Pablo 02-23-2018 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chazno (Post 13431484)
https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-f...103338484.html
Exclusive: Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools

There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools.


Big names up in there.

Titty Meat 02-23-2018 06:41 AM

Hopefully KU and Tosu

TambaBerry 02-23-2018 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13431487)
Hopefully KU and Tosu

nope KU isnt on there

WhawhaWhat 02-23-2018 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 13431486)
There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools.


Big names up in there.

https://i.imgur.com/KkEUxGt.png

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Apples Jones, the mother of former Kansas player Josh Jackson, received $2,700 according to documents.

Feb. 1, 2016: “Advance to Apples Jones (Josh Jackson) $1,700.”

Buehler445 02-23-2018 07:15 AM

Josh’s Mom was named Apples? Huh. Learn something new every day.


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