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DJ's left nut 11-05-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13871091)
Is he lined up in the NZ?

I really don't think he is.

Look at how quickly he explodes off the line and look at that little 'set' motion. I'd bet even money that the referee saw the movement, saw how quickly he launched and assume that 'set' motion was forward and thus took him offsides.

It didn't. They blew that call.

Molitoth 11-05-2018 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 13870831)
Na, I don't think so. We're just finally hitting the tipping point with two decades of rule changes that largely favor offense. The era of a truly dominant defense is dead.

That is the thing about the NFL. They hold meetings every year to discuss and implement rule changes to effect the outcome of games.

The NFL adapts, and I think eventually there will be a demand for better defense. With the change of a few rules, it could help bring back a bit of balance to the sport.

But right now, the people like offense... or else they would be off watching soccer.

suzzer99 11-05-2018 11:23 AM

From NFL Gamepass (Starting at about 51 minutes - not the original play, but when they finally go back and look at the replay):

https://i.imgur.com/oOQFJpa.jpg

You can see the flag lying just to the left of the 50 and maybe two yards in bounds - as Ford is making the strip.

Now when was it thrown?

Here's where the side judge was reaching for the flag:

https://i.imgur.com/EGeWkBo.jpg

Not quite instantaneous but pretty close.

And here's the side judge nonchalantly flinging it out it almost straight to his right. Is that standard?

https://i.imgur.com/Uzd7WH6.jpg

From the way the side judge is acting I'd say he got tricked by Ford's amazing first step and jumping on the snap count - and thought Ford jumped. He didn't seem to be completely prepared to throw the flag as soon as the ball was snapped.

O.city 11-05-2018 11:28 AM

I'd like to see the part from the start of the play. Wheres the actual LOS?

staylor26 11-05-2018 11:33 AM

Where’s that ****er Hamas that defended this bs just like he always defends the refs?

htismaqe 11-05-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 13871130)
But right now, the people like offense... or else they would be off watching soccer.

This is the key right here.

Casual fans and fantasy football players (many of whom are "casual" fans as well in that they're more about their fantasy team than an NFL team) LOVE this brand of football. Defense isn't coming back in this lifetime.

chiefzilla1501 11-05-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 13870825)
It's a pendulum and eventually it will swing back the other direction.

I don't think it will. The NFL sees that it's boosting ratings. Like the steroid era of the mlb the league will milk every dollar out of this even if it pisses off football purists. You have the basketball execs as well calling for more and more offense. It's just inevitable. Our sports leagues are run by people who'd rather make $ than preserve the game.

I hate that the NFL is turning into this. But like reading a trashy b movie I can't take my eyes off of it.

suzzer99 11-05-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13871140)
I'd like to see the part from the start of the play. Wheres the actual LOS?

Here's a microsecond before the snap, before Ford loads up. Assuming all good here:

https://i.imgur.com/hxTdzaT.jpg

Here's Ford loading up:

https://i.imgur.com/Q5jF7tX.jpg

This is literally as close to the actual snap as I can get:

https://i.imgur.com/inb7Psn.jpg

Here's the exact moment the ball was snapped The ball is not quite touching the yard marker - a few inches inside. Doesn't look like Ford jumped or was in the NZ:

https://i.imgur.com/waIhMsq.jpg

However like one frame later Ford's hand is across the line, which I bet is what the side judge keyed on:

https://i.imgur.com/fLL4aS9.jpg

I think Ford was so fast it literally fooled him. Bullshit. Keep the flag in your pocket unless it's obvious.

htismaqe 11-05-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13871168)
I don't think it will. The NFL sees that it's boosting ratings. Like the steroid era of the mlb the league will milk every dollar out of this even if it pisses off football purists. You have the basketball execs as well calling for more and more offense. It's just inevitable. Our sports leagues are run by people who'd rather make $ than preserve the game.

I hate that the NFL is turning into this. But like reading a trashy b movie I can't take my eyes off of it.

Because Mahomes...

O.city 11-05-2018 11:42 AM

The NFL is turning into this because they got sued and ****ed up.

O.city 11-05-2018 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13871172)
Here's the exact moment the ball was snapped. Doesn't look like Ford jumped or was in the NZ:

https://i.imgur.com/waIhMsq.jpg

However like one frame later Ford's hand is across the line, which I bet is what the side judge keyed on:

https://i.imgur.com/fLL4aS9.jpg

I think Ford was so fast it literally fooled him. Bullshit. Keep the flag in your pocket unless it's obvious.

She's strattling the LOS, IIRC. So he probably is lined up in the NZ

htismaqe 11-05-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13871178)
She's strattling the LOS, IIRC. So he probably is lined up in the NZ

From the top view though, it's obvious he's not.

chiefzilla1501 11-05-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13871174)
Because Mahomes...

Well.. Ive enjoyed chiefs games more but I've always watched them even when they were terrible. What's changed for me is how often I enjoy other games. It has made games more exciting even if it doesn't always feel like real football. Parity has improved instead of the same 5 qbs carving up the league. Teams look less sloppy because even average qbs are capable of easily putting up 20. Young qbs are finally starting to create excitement. Much as I hate what the NFL is doing, begrudgingly I admit its made the league a lot more exciting.

htismaqe 11-05-2018 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13871200)
Well.. Ive enjoyed chiefs games more but I've always watched them even when they were terrible. What's changed for me is how often I enjoy other games. It has made games more exciting even if it doesn't always feel like real football. Parity has improved instead of the same 5 qbs carving up the league. Teams look less sloppy because even average qbs are capable of easily putting up 20. Young qbs are finally starting to create excitement. Much as I hate what the NFL is doing, begrudgingly I admit its made the league a lot more exciting.

I'll admit, I've been watching a ton of non-Chiefs football this season.

O.city 11-05-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13871182)
From the top view though, it's obvious he's not.

If she's standing on the LOS, he's in the neutral zone.


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