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Let’s revisit Chris Jones (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=326023)

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14532950)

I don't get the obsession with his run defense. Pass rush, particularly up the middle, is the only way to stop the present day split-second passing game in the NFL, and that disparity is only going to grow as back 7 defensive players keep getting jobbed more and more by the rules. There's a reason Aaron Donald got a $135 million contract last year, and it has nothing to do with how he holds up in the run game.

The fastest path to a QB is straight at him and Jones has an undeniable gift there. Don't get so caught up in trying to find the perfect player that you miss the exceptional one.

Tons of truth in this post

But I also think you’re underestimating how his apparent freelancing can have a domino effect on the entire unit... the sacks are great, but when he guesses wrong it ****s what may have been the perfect call for that play

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 14530859)

You mean he'll buttrape us on a Sunday night game after we get rid of him?

No he won't because he got paid. We need to hit in the draft PERIOD Bellichek learned this many moons ago that once somebody gets big $$ in FA very rarely do they ever match their play with the $$ they received. You hit consistently in the draft then FA signings are a heckuva a lot less and easier on the cap. And then when it is apparent you need to sign a FA it will be done on our terms($$) not the player's because we have built good depth.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14532978)

You don't know his gap assignments and what % he's missed on.

And for as much love as Aaron Donald gets, the Rams boasted a 5.1 YPC Rush defense last season, good enough for dead last in the league. But i'm sure the Rams are just kicking themselves for re-signing Donald.

You're right I don't know for sure what his assignments have been. I'm guess-timating based on what the other defensive linemen are doing and the results of the play. But at the end of the day they're just SWAGs.

As for Aaron, what I meant was that a lot of times it's really hard to tell just what his assignment was; he blows through the line so fast a lot of times that I honestly don't know exactly what he was supposed to be doing in the scheme/design of the play. But he does get to the QB so quickly that even if he doesn't make the tackle on the RB he disrupts the play anyway.

Chris isn't that type of player. Hell, I can't really think of anyone that is. Which is what I meant about being a mutant.

It's like Barry Sanders. Sanders was a mutant. As such he didn't usually hit the hole as designed. It either wasn't there because his OL didn't create one, or he just chose to run elsewhere.

With a lesser RB that'd be a real problem. With Barry, well, you take what he gives you because he's a mutant.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14530534)

Okay, so we know this guy wants Frank Clark money. We wanted him to take Fletcher Cox money.

It’s a contract year from him and here is what he has done through about half the season:

2 sacks
8 tackles
2 TFL
7 QB hits

He’s hurt again, which I believe is his 3rd injury since being here. Fortunately none of them are major.

So, do you try to resign this guy for Fletcher Cox money ($18 million AAV-cap rise means more due to %) or do you trade him?

If you want to trade him, what do you expect his market to be if he only gets 4 sacks this season?

Those stats are for about 4.5 games, which is a lot closer to 1/4 of the season than 1/2 the season.
Your OP is a fail from the very beginning.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14530534)

You ****ing push Frank Clark off a cliff, keep Jones and give him Frank's contract. Next.

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 14532950)

You're wrong though.

Donald got that money because he's a STUD at all facets of the game.

Sacks are the splashy plays, but the fact that Donald controls the game in his area all around is why he got so much money.

As I've said since last January when I wanted to sign and trade Ford and release Houston, sacks are only part of the story.

If Jones wants Donald money, we should tag and trade him.

if he wants something in line with an excellent pass rusher but below average run defender, then we can talk. If he wants DONALD MONEY, then he needs to play as well all around as Donald.