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FloridaMan88 01-18-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14732398)
Not arguing; I'm asking for facts. Data to support a theory. Your theory.

It is a "theory" that when you hold the ball out loosely with one hand and not secure it you are increasing the risk for a strip/fumble?

Megatron96 01-18-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14732404)
It is a "theory" that when you hold the ball out loosely with one hand and not secure it you are increasing the risk for a strip/fumble?

It's a theory until you have some empirical data to prove it's not a theory. Or so I was taught in grade school science.

I mean, does he do that on evyer play? Not that I'm aware of. I've sen him do it a few times. I haven't seen him fumble doing it though. In fact, regardless of how he's held the ball after the catch, his stats say that in the four years he's been playing for the Chiefs he's never fumbled, no matter how he held the ball.

My point being, there's no evidence to support the idea that he is a fumble risk.

I'm not even saying we should keep him next season. But what I am saying is that how he holds the ball every once in a while has nothing to do with his efficiency as a receiver. At least according to his stats and the fact that he's never fumbled while playing for us.

Factually, he doesn't run great routes. He's inconsistent as a pass-catcher. And he sometimes gets called for stupid penalties.

But how he holds the ball hasn't been a problem in four years.

Deberg_1990 01-18-2020 03:45 PM

Zero confidence right now in him.

Would rather see Pringle out there

dlphg9 01-18-2020 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14732422)
It's a theory until you have some empirical data to prove it's not a theory. Or so I was taught in grade school science.

I mean, does he do that on evyer play? Not that I'm aware of. I've sen him do it a few times. I haven't seen him fumble doing it though. In fact, regardless of how he's held the ball after the catch, his stats say that in the four years he's been playing for the Chiefs he's never fumbled, no matter how he held the ball.

My point being, there's no evidence to support the idea that he is a fumble risk.

I'm not even saying we should keep him next season. But what I am saying is that how he holds the ball every once in a while has nothing to do with his efficiency as a receiver. At least according to his stats and the fact that he's never fumbled while playing for us.

Factually, he doesn't run great routes. He's inconsistent as a pass-catcher. And he sometimes gets called for stupid penalties.

But how he holds the ball hasn't been a problem in four years.

Shady also has this same problem and didn't fumble much. Now he has 3 in a limited amount of carries. It's fairly common knowledge that if you don't secure the ball the odds of fumbling go up quite a bit.

Lets use your logic in a different situation. So someone drinks and drives alot, but hasn't wrecked. Doesnt mean that he won't eventually wreck and that he should continue doimg what hes doing.

Megatron96 01-18-2020 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 14732467)
Shady also has this same problem and didn't fumble much. Now he has 3 in a limited amount of carries. It's fairly common knowledge that if you don't secure the ball the odds of fumbling go up quite a bit.

Lets use your logic in a different situation. So someone drinks and drives alot, but hasn't wrecked. Doesn't mean that he won't eventually wreck and that he should continue doing what hes doing.

I might agree if he did that on every catch, or even in every game (where he got a catch). But that's not the case either. He's done it what, three times? In four years?

And Shady has never been a fumble-prone RB in his ten year career. Yes, he had three this year in a short span. This never happened in his previous nine years. It's called an outlier. A fluke.

And two of his fumbles he wasn't even carrying the ball "like a loaf of bread," but close to his body. Though one of those carries he was carrying the ball near his waist and should've been carrying it higher to the side of his chest at least.

In other words, there's no real empirical evidence that the way Shady carries the ball sometimes during a run "like a loaf of bread" has anything to do with the number of fumbles he's had in any of his ten years as a RB. Including this year.

But people look at it, and don't like either Shady himself for some reason, or don't like his style, or whatever it is, and jump on the optics of it. With no actual supportive evidence.

They only fumble that concerns me is the one where it just jumped out of his hand near the GL and he recovered it mid-air. And on that one he again wasn't "holding it like a loaf of bread." That one tells me that there might be something wrong with Shady's hand/forearm.

But back to the OP. My point was that DRob is not an above-average receiver, though he has had moments where he's made some great catches. So the decision to keep or cut him should be based on that. Not whether he fumbles because of how he holds the ball every 10 weeks or so is not an issue. Because he hasn't fumbled. Ever. No matter how he's held the ball.

rtmike 01-18-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 14732022)
Don't know if anyone else spotted it, but there was a 20 yard ish play from Tyreek in the 2nd quarter and Robinson literally couldn't even get lined up, Tyreek was talking to him right up until the snap.

What I’ve read is he has a learning disability and has a hard time with the playbook?

A lot of his completions are off Pat scrambling for his life and he’s the best at back tracking to get open.

Megatron96 01-18-2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rtmike (Post 14732540)
What I’ve read is he has a learning disability and has a hard time with the playbook?

A lot of his completions are off Pat scrambling for his life and he’s the best at back tracking to get open.

Well, that would certainly explain why he's not running the right route so often. But he does seem to find a way to give Pat a target when things go sandlot.


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