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Buehler445 11-16-2020 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoes (Post 15329172)
The only reason to be upset at Chubb is if you had money on the game, that's it.
I dunno, Pre-Mahomes, I'd have probably thought fumbling a kneel down to lose would have been a very Because Chiefs thing to do.

wazu 11-16-2020 11:05 AM
For those who are defending Chubb - do you think Damien Williams should have run out of bounds in the Super Bowl?

O.city 11-16-2020 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoes (Post 15329172)
The only reason to be upset at Chubb is if you had money on the game, that's it.
MY KIDS ARENT EATING THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF HIM

DaFace 11-16-2020 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15329190)
For those who are defending Chubb - do you think Damien Williams should have run out of bounds in the Super Bowl?
Yep. Pretty sure there was a thread here discussing it.

Spott 11-16-2020 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 15329190)
For those who are defending Chubb - do you think Damien Williams should have run out of bounds in the Super Bowl?
Statistically yes. When it was happening live, hell no.

DRM08 11-16-2020 11:11 AM
At least Cleveland was leading the game when he did it. My school had a RB pull this stunt at the end of a game Saturday while we were still trailing. Fortunately our kicker made the FG to win the game as time expired, but it was one of those situations that could have easily backfired on us.

htismaqe 11-16-2020 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 15329154)
Although those odds are pretty slim, I’ve seen scenarios like that happen in the last two minutes a few times. I think Atlanta recovered two onside kicks in a row against the Saints last year. Aside from the miracle in the Meadowlands, I can’t remember a time when a team lost when all they had to do was take a knee.

But I still wanted Williams to score at the end and it wouldn’t have been near as great a moment in Chiefs history if he decided to go down at the 5 yard line.
They changed the onside kick rules specifically because of instances like that Atlanta game

It would be almost impossible to repeat that with the new changes.

htismaqe 11-16-2020 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 15329159)
Rivers came back and beat us in the 2000’s when they were down 21-10 with under 90 seconds left. They scored a TD, recovered the onside kick and got another TD to win 22-21.

Edit: Rivers also fumbled the snap at Arrowhead when taking a knee to run out the clock and kick a game winning FG against us in 2011 (I think).
The Chargers 2nd to last drive started with almost 5 minutes left in the game.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=281214012

Spott 11-16-2020 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15329209)
The Chargers 2nd to last drive started with almost 5 minutes left in the game.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=281214012
I didn’t remember what year it was, but I remember their drive taking a long time before they score the first TD. But that second drive after the onside kick was really quick. We even had enough time to win the game at the end but Barth missed the FG.

htismaqe 11-16-2020 11:23 AM
The Patriots' 2nd to last drive started with 2:38 left on the clock.

The Broncos' 2nd to last drive started with 2:27 left on the clock.

Chubb would have scored with 1:07 on the clock.

HUGE difference.

htismaqe 11-16-2020 11:29 AM
The point is that Cleveland would have scored a TD with 1:07 left.

At that point, they are kicking off.

The most likely scenario is they have to drive 40 or so yards, kick a FG, and then recover an onside kick. At that point, they have to drive 50 yards for a TD and PAT for the tie or 2 point conversion for the outright win. The 2-point conversion obviously adds even more difficulty.

A kick return TD to start the sequence would make it infinitely easier but that's extremely rare. Any number of other scenarios are almost statistically impossible, like recovering two onside kicks, back to back.

The Browns weren't losing that game had Chubb scored. It just wasn't going to happen.

DaFace 11-16-2020 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15329232)
The Browns weren't losing that game had Chubb scored. It just wasn't going to happen.
No one's arguing that it wouldn't be incredibly improbable. I'm just arguing that going out of bounds there made losing the game equally improbable (probably even less so) and reduced chances of fluke injuries at the end of the game.

htismaqe 11-16-2020 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15329245)
No one's arguing that it wouldn't be incredibly improbable. I'm just arguing that going out of bounds there made losing the game equally improbable (probably even less so) and reduced chances of fluke injuries at the end of the game.
I just hate the mentality. It's pure Martyball. When you pass up points like that, you invite bad things to happen. It's almost karmic.

O.city 11-16-2020 11:38 AM
Well one thing it made impossible was my ****ing parlay

So **** you math

DaFace 11-16-2020 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15329253)
I just hate the mentality. It's pure Martyball. When you pass up points like that, you invite bad things to happen. It's almost karmic.
And I hate the idea of coaches making decisions on things like "karma."


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