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The Franchise 03-24-2022 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 16211812)
I could probably be talked into a 3rd.

-You're not finding a WR in the 3rd that's getting meaningful time on the field in Season 1, maybe even season 2.

-He has the two learning curve years behind him and is going into the typical breakout season for a WR.

Really depends on if they want to be competitive this year, or just accept the down year and build for the future with picks.

At 23 years old, I feel like LS accomplishes both (win now and future)

103 is about as high as Id go….and then I’d want a 5th or 6th back from the Jags since we don’t have one.

OnTheWarpath15 03-24-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16211825)
103 is about as high as Id go….and then I’d want a 5th or 6th back from the Jags since we don’t have one.

Yep.

DJ's left nut 03-24-2022 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 16211768)
Pairing Shenault with Smith-Schuster would be a nice zig for the Chiefs.

You’ve got all these teams in the West and league at large loading up on pass rushers and DBs and moving to nickel or dime sets as big down percentage packages and playing 2 deep safeties in anticipation of the Chiefs taking lots of deep shots.

So what’s a great counter to that? Big, physical receivers who can catch short passes and break tackles when those S come flying upfield.

You always need a speed element, and I think the Chiefs will have that. But this a move that makes a lot of sense, and he’s WR4 in Jacksonville.

Then Calvin Austin to zip around and do fast guy making speed cuts shit.

This can still be a 30 PPG offense.

And with just a couple of pretty makeable moves, it will be.

Get excited guys - this shit gwon be fun.

Chris Meck 03-24-2022 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16211825)
103 is about as high as Id go….and then I’d want a 5th or 6th back from the Jags since we don’t have one.

Nah. They can have #135.

You can draft Calvin Austin at #103, and I'd rather do that.

The Franchise 03-24-2022 08:49 AM

It wouldn’t be the greatest group of weapons out there but if you had a WR room that consisted of:

Juju
Shenault
Hardman
Rookie
MVS

You’d at least have options and I think that’s how Reid is seeing this transition. We’ve had an offense that had a top 3 WR and the best TE in the league….and defenses figured out how to put clamps on that. Why not load it with good to very good weapons and see how they try and cover everyone.

DJ's left nut 03-24-2022 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 16211812)
I could probably be talked into a 3rd.

-You're not finding a WR in the 3rd that's getting meaningful time on the field in Season 1, maybe even season 2.

-He has the two learning curve years behind him and is going into the typical breakout season for a WR.

Really depends on if they want to be competitive this year, or just accept the down year and build for the future with picks.

At 23 years old, I feel like LS accomplishes both (win now and future)

In this draft I think you can.

Either one of two things - someone who can really make a contribution in year 1 (say Alec Pierce) or someone who MIGHT be able to make a contribution but could ascent do legit WR2 status as early as 2023 (say Jalen Tolbert).

Now none of those are a given at the end of the 3rd, but they're a possibility.

And then there's my new favorite draft crust, Calvin Austin, who will do both of those things. Because he's a badass.

TambaBerry 03-24-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16211840)
It wouldn’t be the greatest group of weapons out there but if you had a WR room that consisted of:

Juju
Shenault
Hardman
Rookie
MVS

You’d at least have options and I think that’s how Reid is seeing this transition. We’ve had an offense that had a top 3 WR and the best TE in the league….and defenses figured out how to put clamps on that. Why not load it with good to very good weapons and see how they try and cover everyone.

You forgot Gordon lol

The Franchise 03-24-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16211848)
You forgot Gordon lol

No I didn’t. Lol

Gordon and Coleman aren’t making it out of camp.

TomBarndtsTwin 03-24-2022 08:55 AM

This would be a good pickup if we can get him for the right price.

Lot of untapped potential there.

Would love to see what Reid and the other coaches could scheme up for him . . . . .

OnTheWarpath15 03-24-2022 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16211841)
In this draft I think you can.

Either one of two things - someone who can really make a contribution in year 1 (say Alec Pierce) or someone who MIGHT be able to make a contribution but could ascent do legit WR2 status as early as 2023 (say Jalen Tolbert).

Now none of those are a given at the end of the 3rd, but they're a possibility.

And then there's my new favorite draft crust, Calvin Austin, who will do both of those things. Because he's a badass.

I just think it's a big ask. Pretty rare that a WR outside the first 15-20 makes an immediate impact, much less after 90.

If Nate Taylor is right, Andy plans on JuJu in the slot - which means our WR1 at the moment is Hardman, LOL.

Hell, we have enough picks that I'd be ok trading for TWO active WR's if we could.

Chris Meck 03-24-2022 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 16211892)
I just think it's a big ask. Pretty rare that a WR outside the first 15-20 makes an immediate impact, much less after 90.

If Nate Taylor is right, Andy plans on JuJu in the slot - which means our WR1 at the moment is Hardman, LOL.

Hell, we have enough picks that I'd be ok trading for TWO active WR's if we could.

That's not true. Plenty of great receivers come in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.

Tons of busts in that first round, too.

And this is an unusual draft, because of Covid. Lots of guys that would've come out last year waited a year, which makes the draft that much deeper.

The Franchise 03-24-2022 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16211904)
That's not true. Plenty of great receivers come in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.

Tons of busts in that first round, too.

And this is an unusual draft, because of Covid. Lots of guys that would've come out last year waited a year, which makes the draft that much deeper.

Reid’s offense isn’t like other teams offenses though. We aren’t sure that a rookie WR can step in outside of Hardman. And Hardman wasn’t out here running the entire playbook.

crispystl 03-24-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MVChiefFan (Post 16211822)
I think this is it. We’re changing our offense to counter the new defensive schemes they’re throwing at us. Playing Chess!

We were also fairly top heavy with Kelce and Hill being the only real threats. You can double two extremely good players, but you can't double four really good players. It forces defenses to play us much differently. Combine all of that with the financials and the issues issues we saw with hero ball, and the fact that Patrick never really missed a beat in any of the games Tyreek was out and you can see the logic in trading Tyreek.

As much as I LOVED watching Tyreek torch opposing defenses...I think this will make us better overall and definitely long-term.

Shields68 03-24-2022 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 16211812)
I could probably be talked into a 3rd.

-You're not finding a WR in the 3rd that's getting meaningful time on the field in Season 1, maybe even season 2.

-He has the two learning curve years behind him and is going into the typical breakout season for a WR.

Really depends on if they want to be competitive this year, or just accept the down year and build for the future with picks.

At 23 years old, I feel like LS accomplishes both (win now and future)

I might go a 4th but no higher. Given the Jaguars wr signings, they have no plans for him. They want to move on from him. Sure he has athletic upside but he has not put it together. He was on on a shitty team but he was still really unable to even make it on the field the last two years. He looks like a 2nd round bust. A third is too valuable.

OnTheWarpath15 03-24-2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16211904)
That's not true. Plenty of great receivers come in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.

Tons of busts in that first round, too.

And this is an unusual draft, because of Covid. Lots of guys that would've come out last year waited a year, which makes the draft that much deeper.

You're right, plenty of great receivers come from those rounds.

My point was, how many of them make an immediate impact?

Let's look at last year.

34 WR's taken.

3 made an immediate impact with their team: Chase, Waddle and St. Brown - and it took St. Brown 10-12 games and he had little competition for targets.

The other two were taken in the Top 6.


How about 2020?

37 WR's taken.

Outside the 1st round, Pittman arrived this year, did nothing his rookie year. (was also 2nd pick of the 2nd round)

Higgins is the Day Two/Day Three darling, he's had a great start to his career.

Claypool has been solid, yet unspectacular - also a earlier pick - mid 2nd.

Gabe Davis and Mooney showed up at times this year, but did nothing in their rookie years.

That's 5/37.

I'm looking at years beyond 2020, and the story is the same - it's extremely rare for a rookie WR drafted beyond the 1st round (and especially in the 3rd/late) to make a substantial impact Year One - and most of those guys are STILL trying to make it a year or two after being drafted.

Oh, and there are 31 other teams trying to find these needles in the haystack.

FTR, I'm fine with drafting WR's - but be prepared for a down year or two while they come up to speed. They're going to need to make a trade for a real WR if they wanna be in the mix THIS year.


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