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Phoneix 03-26-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowHeader (Post 16217280)
Juju lost his juju after his breakout season. MVS has blistering speed and a legit deep threat, but there’s a reason Rodgers didn’t target him much. Veach was really reaching when he signed those two. As it stands, we lack any true threats in the passing game. Gonna make it easier to contain Kelce, and our running game isn’t going to help. The elite WR in this draft won’t be available at the bottom of the 1st round. What’s Allen Robinson up to these days?


You have lost your god dammed mind


2020 16 games 831 yds and 9 TDS

2019 12 games 552 yds and 3 TDS

2018 16 games 1426 yds and 7 TDS

201714 games 917 yds and 7 TDS

ArrowHeader 03-26-2022 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoneix (Post 16217283)
You have lost your god dammed mind


2020 16 games 831 yds and 9 TDS

2019 12 games 552 yds and 3 TDS

2018 16 games 1426 yds and 7 TDS

201714 games 917 yds and 7 TDS

PIT’s issues were far greater than Juju, so not blaming him entirely, but the guy was hit or miss. That is undeniable. They went all in on him after the AB fallout and it just didn’t pan out.

Phoneix 03-26-2022 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowHeader (Post 16217363)
PIT’s issues were far greater than Juju, so not blaming him entirely, but the guy was hit or miss. That is undeniable. They went all in on him after the AB fallout and it just didn’t pan out.

He is no #1 for sure - he needs to play across from a true #1. But as a #2 he is solid

-King- 03-26-2022 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoneix (Post 16217159)
Break it down for me

JSS (6'1" 25 YO) 5 year pro 63 games 3800 yds 26 TDS
M. Williams (6'4" 27 YO) 5 year pro 72 games 3600 yds 26 TDS
Renfrow (5'10" 26 YO) 3 year pro 46 games 2300 yds 15 TDS
Sutton (6'4" 26 YO) 4 year pro 50 games 2700 yds 7 TDS

MVS (6'4" 27 YO) 4 year pro 59 games 2200 yds 13 TDS
Guyton (6'1" 24 YO) 2 year pro 35 games 1000 yds 6 TDS
Edwards (6'3" 23 yo) 2 year pro 28 games 800 yds 4 TDS
Patrick (6'4" 28 YO) 4 year pro 55 games 2000 yds 12 TDS

Hardman (5'10" 24 yo) 3 year pro 49 games 1800 yds 12 TDS


Yeah - we don't have a true #1 YET - but I'd take our #2/#3 combo over any of the others. M Williams is pretty close but his production #'s include 9 more games than JSS.

Jeudy had more yards last year in his 10 games played than Juju would have had even if he played all 17 games. And he's our most well rounded WR right now.

Phoneix 03-26-2022 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16217397)
Jeudy had more yards last year in his 10 games played than Juju would have had even if he played all 17 games. And he's our most well rounded WR right now.

Jeudy is their #1 - JSS is a #2 that is well established.

Rausch 03-26-2022 10:20 PM

This team is about as deep as Paris Hilton...

BigRedChief 03-26-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16216884)
I'd be willing to wait for Jameson Williams to get healed.

You are going to give up both firsts and a 2nd to get up to 15. Maybe one of the draftniks know the picks it will take?

Rausch 03-26-2022 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16217550)
You are going to give up both firsts and a 2nd to get up to 15.

Get up 8-10 spots and take Wyatt. Have a great DT combo and that will lighten the load on some JAG DE's. It's also better pressure against immobile QB's like Brady, Carr, etc.

We could have two beasts inside and take our golden boy pass rusher next year after reloading depth this year with all the picks...

oldman 03-26-2022 10:34 PM

I think we can address the DE in the 1st and a burner WR in the 1st or a high 2nd. I am concerned more about the secondary. Another OT would be nice since Niang probably won't be back until after the start of the season and I wonder just how far along the Prince is. With 8 picks in the 1-4 rounds, we should be able to pick up some depth. I don't think we should be spending that extra cap money like drunken sailors unless it's just 1 year deals.

kcbubb 03-26-2022 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoneix (Post 16217276)
Bet take JSS against any of those other WR easy. The only one that is close is M. Williams and when you figure that JSS sat out 12 games last year and M.Williams didn't it gets pretty obvious JSS is waaaaaayyyyy better than any #2 WR in the AFCW

JSS (6'1" 25 YO) 5 year pro 63 games 3800 yds 26 TDS
M. Williams (6'4" 27 YO) 5 year pro 72 games 3600 yds 26 TDS
Renfrow (5'10" 26 YO) 3 year pro 46 games 2300 yds 15 TDS
Sutton (6'4" 26 YO) 4 year pro 50 games 2700 yds 7 TDS
Guyton (6'1" 24 YO) 2 year pro 35 games 1000 yds 6 TDS
Edwards (6'3" 23 yo) 2 year pro 28 games 800 yds 4 TDS
Patrick (6'4" 28 YO) 4 year pro 55 games 2000 yds 12 TDS

Can you post last years stats? M. Williams just signed a $20M / yr deal? Renfrow had 1000 yards last year. Broncos haven’t had a qb and their wrs are big boys with talent. The point here is that the chiefs need help at wr. The current group is clearly deficient when compared with the rest of afcw. Mahomes needs some help.

Baby Lee 03-26-2022 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16216897)
Going from Hill to anyone else is a downgrade at WR1, but if we added another name to the group above (like a Shenault), I think I'd say that WR1 has downgraded but WR 2-4 have upgraded. Will that equal more yards of offense and more first downs, in the end?

It was an anomaly, but it was OUR anomaly. And it's this.

We'll likely have enough capital to field a decent offense. And Mahomes will certainly be good enough to keep it productive and on a winning track.

But what we lose when we lose Hill is slack in the rope.

No more

https://c.tenor.com/MIS4gzwO6WMAAAAC...rlie-kelly.gif


"Oh, . . . BOO HOOO!!! We're down 20 points in an important game. . . well how about [hiiiya!! Judo chop!!] - . . . 21 points in 3-4 minutes to end the half."

"Enjoy your halftime deficit you worked so hard for, suckers!!"


- - -

Now, a 20 point deficit might be enough to bury us for good most games.

So we got to hope we don't get so many of those, or even to have a game plan to get early leads instead.

It's a little more than zigging, when they thought we'd zag, . . it's a paradigm shift. So now it's our duty to be hopeful they assemble something.

Bump 03-27-2022 12:04 AM

Hopefully there are two badass edge rushers left at the end of the first round, at least one.

Phoneix 03-27-2022 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16217567)
Can you post last years stats? M. Williams just signed a $20M / yr deal? Renfrow had 1000 yards last year. Broncos haven’t had a qb and their wrs are big boys with talent. The point here is that the chiefs need help at wr. The current group is clearly deficient when compared with the rest of afcw. Mahomes needs some help.

JSS was hurt last year, You can’t compare. Renfrow had 1000 yds last year but his lowest AYPC in his 3 years. You have to take the total body of work over their (short) careers to get a comparison. You argue Bronco QBs have been trash I’d argue Rothisburger hasn’t been good for several years. As I said M. Williams is the closest in production to JSS as anyone else BUT JSS was hurt for 12 games last year and Rothisburger was trash anyway.

Phoneix 03-27-2022 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 16217574)
It was an anomaly, but it was OUR anomaly. And it's this.

We'll likely have enough capital to field a decent offense. And Mahomes will certainly be good enough to keep it productive and on a winning track.

But what we lose when we lose Hill is slack in the rope.

No more

https://c.tenor.com/MIS4gzwO6WMAAAAC...rlie-kelly.gif


"Oh, . . . BOO HOOO!!! We're down 20 points in an important game. . . well how about [hiiiya!! Judo chop!!] - . . . 21 points in 3-4 minutes to end the half."

"Enjoy your halftime deficit you worked so hard for, suckers!!"


- - -

Now, a 20 point deficit might be enough to bury us for good most games.

So we got to hope we don't get so many of those, or even to have a game plan to get early leads instead.

It's a little more than zigging, when they thought we'd zag, . . it's a paradigm shift. So now it's our duty to be hopeful they assemble something.

Yeah idk if I buy that - erasing that 24 point deficit to the Texans was all Kelce. Sure the SB was saved by the WASP but who scored the 4 touchdowns?

emaw1979 03-27-2022 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16217550)
You are going to give up both firsts and a 2nd to get up to 15. Maybe one of the draftniks know the picks it will take?

A 1st and 2nd (this year) will likely do. May need to add a 4th or 5th as well.

They went from 27 to 10 for Mahomes and gave up 1st, 1st following year, and a 3rd.

2 firsts this year probably gets them 8-10.


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