Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16592786)

Of all the DLineman I could see the Chiefs making a very serious play for, Payne is #1 on the list if he's available. He's a hell of a lot like Jarran Reed and he's only 26.
That said, I fully expect Washington to franchise him this year as he's the only guy on their FA list worth doing it for.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16591926)

Given the fact that Hughes declined to be moved at the deadline and the reports were that he chose to be closer to home and that's why he signed with Houston, I wonder if we DIDN'T reach out to him.

Frankly, it's not the direction I'd have preferred anyway. Find a young vet. I really liked the idea of an RFA offer to Dorance Armstrong, for instance. We've mentioned guys like Key and Green ad nauseum. Barnett was a guy I really liked the idea of.

Give me a toolsy 26 yr old who's underperformed a little and is looking for a pillow contract for a bounce-back. Clelin Ferrell was a previous suggestion - good call. Arden Key is likely to be a FA again. Lorenzo Carter is going to be cheap, IMO and he has great tools. I really like that idea. Rasheem Green is likely to be a FA again. Could Malik Reed be a guy who's used as a situational rusher in a strict LEO sort of role? LJ Collier is a TEXTBOOK Veachlclamation Project. Ben Banogu was really interesting coming into the draft but really hasn't done shit; he wouldn't cost a thing and is worth a look, IMO.

Zach Allen has played awfully well so he's probably priced himself into 'real' player money, but if he falls through the first wave, I'd absolutely be interested in giving him Derek Barnett's deal and I think he'd be worth it and then some.

And I'm sure there are a half dozen or more that I've missed. But go find a 25-26 yr old kid coming off his rookie deal who hasn't quite gained a footing with his present team but has some stand-out attributes to put to use as a dedicated rush specialist. And as Duncan suggested, do the same at DT; someone like Dre'Mont Jones would be interesting (but he's probably gonna get a real nice deal).

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16591926)

Given the fact that Hughes declined to be moved at the deadline and the reports were that he chose to be closer to home and that's why he signed with Houston, I wonder if we DIDN'T reach out to him.

Frankly, it's not the direction I'd have preferred anyway. Find a young vet. I really liked the idea of an RFA offer to Dorance Armstrong, for instance. We've mentioned guys like Key and Green ad nauseum. Barnett was a guy I really liked the idea of.

Give me a toolsy 26 yr old who's underperformed a little and is looking for a pillow contract for a bounce-back. Clelin Ferrell was a previous suggestion - good call. Arden Key is likely to be a FA again. Lorenzo Carter is going to be cheap, IMO and he has great tools. I really like that idea. Rasheem Green is likely to be a FA again. Could Malik Reed be a guy who's used as a situational rusher in a strict LEO sort of role? LJ Collier is a TEXTBOOK Veachlclamation Project. Ben Banogu was really interesting coming into the draft but really hasn't done shit; he wouldn't cost a thing and is worth a look, IMO.

Zach Allen has played awfully well so he's probably priced himself into 'real' player money, but if he falls through the first wave, I'd absolutely be interested in giving him Derek Barnett's deal and I think he'd be worth it and then some.

And I'm sure there are a half dozen or more that I've missed. But go find a 25-26 yr old kid coming off his rookie deal who hasn't quite gained a footing with his present team but has some stand-out attributes to put to use as a dedicated rush specialist. And as Duncan suggested, do the same at DT; someone like Dre'Mont Jones would be interesting (but he's probably gonna get a real nice deal).

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16593610)

Yeah, I'm not advocating specifically for Hughes. I'm just saying we need somebody in that mold. Not another big SDE.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16594243)

Hughes is fine as next year's Ingram/Dunlap older vet with a little bit left in the tank guy.

I like those kind of pick-ups, they help teach the young'uns by example of how to be a pro, and can give you some decent rotational snaps.

That just can't be ALL that we do to address the situation.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16594514)

I don't dislike Hughes or someone similar, obviously.

But here's the thing - I would add 2 and maybe 3 rookies to this DL. If you add 3 rookies AND an older Ingram/Hughes sort of vet, you don't really have much room left for the Lorenzo Carter kind of guy I'd like to add to the mix.

And I think I'm settling on Carter as my irrational, under the radar, 'I want' guy. He's an exceptional athlete and really long. He's added some size as he's matured and I think there's room for a little more.

I think you can get a quick twitch, 6'5'', 265 lb player who you can get on a really reasonable 2-3 year deal for his age 28-29 seasons. He's shown some sporadic pass-rush juice in the past though he's played almost exclusively in a 2-point stance.

Get a little bit more good weight on him and teach him to play with his hand in the dirt. Then rotate him in as a 3rd down pass rusher to fly off a wide edge and wreck shit. Still wish we'd have found a way to get him in that Fenton deal but it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16594575)

What if it's two rookies, Carter, and Hughes?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16594592)

De/dt?

I can live with that. But you're working without a net. I was thinking draft 3 and 2 hit.

Originally Posted by Dull Tools (Post 16605124)

I heard on Time's Ours that Karlaftis had the most pressures of any rookie this year. Is that correct? Can't see it anywhere else.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16605766)

2nd from what I can tell.

Travon Walker has the most. Karlaftis, Hutchinson and Ebiketie are tied at 2. 5th is Thibodeaux but he's waaaaay in back of those first 4.

He's first in hurries, but not in total pressures. Walker has 1 fewer hurry but 3 more sacks and 1 more hit.

The issue w/ Karlaftis isn't raw numbers as much as win rate. Among guys with 75 or more pass rush snaps, he's 8th in win rate behind Paschal, Clemons, Thomas, Bonitto, Thibodeaux, Ebiketie and Hutchinson. He's right there with Jackson, Walker and Enagbare.

But it could be worse - he could be Boye Mafe - man, that guys been shite.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16605766)

2nd from what I can tell.

Travon Walker has the most. Karlaftis, Hutchinson and Ebiketie are tied at 2. 5th is Thibodeaux but he's waaaaay in back of those first 4.

He's first in hurries, but not in total pressures. Walker has 1 fewer hurry but 3 more sacks and 1 more hit.

The issue w/ Karlaftis isn't raw numbers as much as win rate. Among guys with 75 or more pass rush snaps, he's 8th in win rate behind Paschal, Clemons, Thomas, Bonitto, Thibodeaux, Ebiketie and Hutchinson. He's right there with Jackson, Walker and Enagbare.

But it could be worse - he could be Boye Mafe - man, that guys been shite.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16607623)

You argue not to look at numbers like pressure singularly and yet use it as a singular basis for an argument against Karlaftis here? Very unlike you.

The numbers may point to the same (not sure I haven't checked), but I'm curious if they do.