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tredadda 12-05-2022 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16648133)
Goddamn this was just a good play. Williams was all over Higgins. Look how close Karlaftis was from tipping that ball? And Danna was right in Burrow’s face as he threw the ball.

The ball had to be placed where it was and he did it. Sometimes you just tip the cap bc it’s hard to see many defenses defending that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bengals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bengals</a> <br><br>The 3rd down throw from Burrow to close out the game…<br><br>Man-coverage underneath. Higgins on the slant route. Can see the ball location here. <a href="https://t.co/fkVJwRu6OF">pic.twitter.com/fkVJwRu6OF</a></p>&mdash; Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1599772668852465669?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yup. Sometimes there is just nothing a defender can do. Credit where credit is due on that throw.

farmerchief 12-05-2022 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16648136)
And further, you know you’re going for it on 4th when you’re calling your play for 3rd down.

Worst thing you can do is take a sack and make 4th down a decision again.

Perfect time to run the ball, kill more clock, and catch the Bengals expecting a pass.
Yep, that’s one Bienemy or Reid, 3rd down should be running the ball, with idea you’re going for it on 4th. I’d take my chances running it 2 Tim’s in a row, in that scenario

Tribal Warfare 12-05-2022 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16648133)
Goddamn this was just a good play. Williams was all over Higgins. Look how close Karlaftis was from tipping that ball? And Danna was right in Burrow’s face as he threw the ball.

The ball had to be placed where it was and he did it. Sometimes you just tip the cap bc it’s hard to see many defenses defending that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bengals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bengals</a> <br><br>The 3rd down throw from Burrow to close out the game…<br><br>Man-coverage underneath. Higgins on the slant route. Can see the ball location here. <a href="https://t.co/fkVJwRu6OF">pic.twitter.com/fkVJwRu6OF</a></p>&mdash; Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/1599772668852465669?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Hence, pressures don't mean shit unless you finish and get the sack.

chiefzilla1501 12-05-2022 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16648175)
Even scoring a TD, no one is painting a rosy picture.

Obviously it would improve our chances greatly to have a 4 point margin than expect our D to protect a tie.

A tie at that point was 100% a loss. A TD at that point was still no certainty but definitely improved our chances.

Missed Field Goal = LOSS

Made Field Goal = LOSS

TD = A chance to win. Those were the options at that point.
Agree to disagree.

We can give up a quick score in a tie game. Play super aggressive and gamble, and worst case they get a really quick score. We saw it play out differently because with a miss cincy ended up sitting on the ball. But with a make It is the only scenario where you give our offense a reasonable shot at getting a last possession.

The way our defense was playing I think that TD chance to win was pretty low % too.

lcarus 12-05-2022 01:23 PM
I would have preferred the mindset of it being 4 down territory there. If a defense can stop this offense from getting 10 yards in 4 plays, they deserve to win and the Chiefs deserve to lose. Really that simple.

Donger 12-05-2022 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 16648027)
I don't disagree in theory, but I think yesterdays decision had more to do with #15s gimpy foot after the 3rd down play.
Asked by a reporter if a potential injury to Mahomes’ foot impacted his decision to take the offense off the field, Reid was direct.

“No. I thought we had a chance to make the field goal,” said Reid, before reiterating his quarterback’s status. “He’s OK. He’s all right.”

rabblerouser 12-05-2022 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16647991)
Yea it was stupid, they should have called a run on the 3rd down knowing it was 4 down territory.
Said the exact same thing myself

Pitt Gorilla 12-05-2022 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 16648027)
I don't disagree in theory, but I think yesterdays decision had more to do with #15s gimpy foot after the 3rd down play.
I thought so as well. I think Andy goes for it if Pat is healthy.

Pitt Gorilla 12-05-2022 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 16648219)
Yep, that’s one Bienemy or Reid, 3rd down should be running the ball, with idea you’re going for it on 4th. I’d take my chances running it 2 Tim’s in a row, in that scenario
So, the solution is to take the ball out of Mahomes' hand on third down? Am I reading that correctly.

Titty Meat 12-05-2022 05:23 PM
It was the right call

Shoes 12-05-2022 05:33 PM
I know Butker is one of the best in the league but a 55 yarder isn't great odds for anyone and even if he hits it, you're giving the ball back to Burrow with 3 minutes left. In that scenario I'm keeping Mahomes and company on the field and going for it on 4th and 5. If its 4th & 8 or longer I am probably okay with the decision to kick the field goal, I'm just very confident in the offense converting when it's 5 or less for the first down.

The combination of the time left and facing a very good QB and offense just makes the decision a little bit puzzling to me. If the roles were switched and it was the Bengals driving down by 3, wouldn't you be happy that Cincy was taking their young stud QB off the field to attempt a long ass field goal to only tie the game?

MahomesMagic 12-05-2022 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoes (Post 16648772)
I know Butker is one of the best in the league but a 55 yarder isn't great odds for anyone and even if he hits it, you're giving the ball back to Burrow with 3 minutes left. In that scenario I'm keeping Mahomes and company on the field and going for it on 4th and 5. If its 4th & 8 or longer I am probably okay with the decision to kick the field goal, I'm just very confident in the offense converting when it's 5 or less for the first down.

The combination of the time left and facing a very good QB and offense just makes the decision a little bit puzzling to me. If the roles were switched and it was the Bengals driving down by 3, wouldn't you be happy that Cincy was taking their young stud QB off the field to attempt a long ass field goal to only tie the game?

Roles reversed I cheer if Burrow leaves field to kick a FG.

BWillie 12-05-2022 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16648778)
Roles reversed I cheer if Burrow leaves field to kick a FG.
That's usually if you know if it's the right thing to do honestly...if it strikes fear or not in the opposing teams hearts.

There is an epidemic of playing not to lose in the NFL, although it is getting better.

tredadda 12-05-2022 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16648794)
That's usually if you know if it's the right thing to do honestly...if it strikes fear or not in the opposing teams hearts.

There is an epidemic of playing not to lose in the NFL, although it is getting better.
There are teams you can utilize the play not to lose strategy. Cincinnati is not one of them. They are very capable of scoring, especially against this defense. You have to treat teams like that as you would KC. It’s why you see those teams making head scratching decisions as FGs usually kill you against KC. Heck even that 4th down play that Dunlap sniffed out probably isn’t attempted against lesser teams.

Jerm 12-05-2022 06:00 PM
Such a brain dead decision and one I couldn’t believe he was making in real time…you just knew Butker was gonna miss it too…

No other coach in the world with an elite QB is making that decision…esp. with a defense that was just not getting a stop. Sam McDowell made a good point, I’m paraphrasing but it was basically how do you think Cindy felt seeing Mahomes ran off the field? There ya go…

Andy gonna Andy…


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