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htismaqe 03-21-2023 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16867790)
Positives about Derrick Nnadi

1. He has stayed healthy for his KC football career. He has not missed games in the 5 years he has been in KC.
2. He will be very familiar with the defense.
3. Coaches know what he can do.
4. He won't cost too much. This is an assumption since his 2023 contract has not been reported yet.
5. He fits in with team chemistry.
6. He can get better from last year.
I disagree with #6. I can't imagine there's that much improvement potential in a guy with his age and experience.

dlphg9 03-21-2023 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16867790)
Positives about Derrick Nnadi

1. He has stayed healthy for his KC football career. He has not missed games in the 5 years he has been in KC.
2. He will be very familiar with the defense.
3. Coaches know what he can do.
4. He won't cost too much. This is an assumption since his 2023 contract has not been reported yet.
5. He fits in with team chemistry.
6. He can get better from last year.
Lol dudes been on a pretty steep decline the last couple years. Last year it seemed like he stopped that decline. Not because he got better, but because he probably hit the floor and is as bad as he can possibly be. I know we gotta have guys on cheap deals, but we could easily replace this turd in the 4th or later.

Wilson8 03-21-2023 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16867823)
I disagree with #6. I can't imagine there's that much improvement potential in a guy with his age and experience.
I used the word "can". I know, he can also get worse. I was trying to come up with positives. I think defensive coaches must have decided that they can work with him.

htismaqe 03-21-2023 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16867836)
I used the word "can". I know, he can also get worse. I was trying to come up with positives. I think defensive coaches must have decided that they can work with him.
I know you used the word "can". In fact, it's that word I take exception to. I really don't think he "can" improve at this point. He's maxed out and now on the decline to go with it.

Wilson8 03-21-2023 02:23 PM
Brett Veach communicates and works with his coaches. I assume that they said to sign Nnadi.

Wilson8 03-21-2023 02:27 PM
I'm not excited by the signing. I came up with some possible reasons that it happened.

dlphg9 03-21-2023 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16867823)
I disagree with #6. I can't imagine there's that much improvement potential in a guy with his age and experience.
The only thing I could think of to even make #6 remotely possible is that he's at rock bottom and he cat get worse, but that's not remotely likely. He's gonna probably remain the same worthless turd he was last year.

It's pretty telling that Saunders went out and got a 3 year deal, but last year was the only year he's been healthy. Nnadi never missed a game in 5 years and started for the best team in the league in all but 12 games over that time and no other team is willing to give him even $2 mil for a year. Hell, did he even get any interest if he's signing for vet min less than a week into free agency? The guys been so bad that he was almost out of the league.

htismaqe 03-21-2023 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16867845)
I'm not excited by the signing. I came up with some possible reasons that it happened.
Oh I don't disagree. I'm not excited about it but they obviously know something I don't.

dlphg9 03-21-2023 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16867841)
Brett Veach communicates and works with his coaches. I assume that they said to sign Nnadi.
Or what is more likely, Derrick Nnadi's agent reached out to every single team and there was literally no interest. They came back to KC and said we didn't get any offers, but my client wants to keep playing. Nnadi has been on this team during the best 5 year stretch in it's history and Reid/Veach did him a solid, because it really doesn't hurt the team and they wanted to do him a solid. It's less than a week into free agency and he's already settling for vet minimum. He had no interest.

bringbackmarty 03-21-2023 02:46 PM
Now we know the truth, KC Pet Project has a lot more influence over chiefs personnel decisions than we thought. bunch of dogs on d seems to be the plan.

JPH83 03-21-2023 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16867474)
I personally think run stuffers do matter, and they are not a position you should take lightly.

DJ Reader is a big reason why the Bengals defense gets away with all of its exotic crap. He's immovable, even against an elite interior like the Chiefs have. The Bengals do all kinds of weird stuff and leave a relatively bare bones DL alignment in place because Reader can shut down the business all by himself.

That said, I don't think there is a 1- or 0-technique block of granite DL the Chiefs have access to at the end of the 1st. Keeanu Benton is the closest you get and he'd be a really good pick at 31 in my opinion. Not my favorite pick, but a great one nonetheless. But in all likelihood, there will be better options available, including at DE where you pretty much have to go at this point.

Benton has a lot more juice to get upfield than I originally thought, but he's still a plugger that you can't move.
Yeah I kinda agree. I get DJ's point that you can work around it somewhat, as we did, but a guy who holds up to double teams allows you to get a lot more creative on the DL, which I think Cullen and Spags would. I honestly don't think those guys are all that common.

I'd probably prefer a guy like Karl Brooks over most of the lumps, purely for continuing the trend of inside outside versatility. Hell I was in on that guy early on here. But at some point you just have a lot of pass rushers who get shoved around in the run. The absolute worst is guys like Nnadi who can't do anything.

Hog's Gone Fishin 03-21-2023 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16867286)
Nnadi sucks
Watch SB54 and then SB 57

Look for common denominators

PMII, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Frank Clark

Nnadi is one of those pieces that plug gaps in a roster

DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16867474)
I personally think run stuffers do matter, and they are not a position you should take lightly.

DJ Reader is a big reason why the Bengals defense gets away with all of its exotic crap. He's immovable, even against an elite interior like the Chiefs have. The Bengals do all kinds of weird stuff and leave a relatively bare bones DL alignment in place because Reader can shut down the business all by himself.

That said, I don't think there is a 1- or 0-technique block of granite DL the Chiefs have access to at the end of the 1st. Keeanu Benton is the closest you get and he'd be a really good pick at 31 in my opinion. Not my favorite pick, but a great one nonetheless. But in all likelihood, there will be better options available, including at DE where you pretty much have to go at this point.

Benton has a lot more juice to get upfield than I originally thought, but he's still a plugger that you can't move.
DJ Reader is not just some big guy in the middle.

That guy is a tank and can move. Nnadi on his best day can't hold Reader's jock.

Again - I'm not sure what some of these comments have to do with Derrick Nnadi. Having an elite version of ANY player is a good thing, even a pure NT. But having a merely average NT doesn't move the needle and Derrick Nnadi isn't even that.

DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16867836)
I used the word "can". I know, he can also get worse. I was trying to come up with positives. I think defensive coaches must have decided that they can work with him.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es20HCUX...jpg&name=large

Can he...?

raybec 4 03-21-2023 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16867873)
Or what is more likely, Derrick Nnadi's agent reached out to every single team and there was literally no interest. They came back to KC and said we didn't get any offers, but my client wants to keep playing. Nnadi has been on this team during the best 5 year stretch in it's history and Reid/Veach did him a solid, because it really doesn't hurt the team and they wanted to do him a solid. It's less than a week into free agency and he's already settling for vet minimum. He had no interest.
Do you truly believe that Veach is holding up cap space and aroster spot in order to do someone a solid? That seems unlikely.


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