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wazu 04-03-2023 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16887352)
In fairness, no matter what LA does, they absorb a massive chunk of his cap hit. The roster bonus has already been paid so it's on their cap as is the pro-rated bonus.

As it stands, he'd come here with $10 million in cap charges and zero in dead money for 2024.
Still way too much for a guy who looks completely washed. No thank you.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16887349)
Eh - $10 million for a guy who's been hurt and/or ineffective the last 2 seasons (as he's entered his 30s) doesn't qualify as a 'cheap bandaid', IMO.

That's a desperation play. And with very little upside because you're not going to write that guy's $5 million roster bonus check next season so he's really just a 1 year deal at $10 million.

And he looked DONE last season after somehow looking as bad/worse the season before.

Nah - that's gonna need to be a deal where they bonus out that base salary over the remaining 4 years (2 void) on his deal to get that salary down near $5 million this season at worst. And is $5 million in cap savings worth a 6th round pick for the Rams? Probably not - ol' Les and his '**** dem picks' approach wouldn't seem to care that much about a 3rd day pick.

There have been a slew of better gambles to make in FA at lower costs and we haven't made them. This one seems very unlikely absent some additional maneuvering by the Rams.

Is he 30 this year? I thought he just turned 29 - and was he "done" because the Rams were garbage or "done" as in Josh Gordon status?

DenverChief 04-03-2023 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16887396)
Still way too much for a guy who looks completely washed. No thank you.
To be fair, their best WR (Kupp) only had ~800 yards receiving and 6 TDs - not exactly a good showing for their offense.

Total offensive output passing ~3500 yards 16 TDs

TwistedChief 04-03-2023 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16887402)
To be fair, their best WR (Kupp) only had ~800 yards receiving and 6 TDs - not exactly a good showing for their offense.

Total offensive output passing ~3500 yards 16 TDs
Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 09:51 AM
If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16887408)
Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.
Ahh - I missed that he only played in 9 games - Robinson only played in 10 too though.

Also - you have to factor in the poor OL play and the fact that Bryce Perkins, John Wolford and Baker Mayfield were slinging the ball around at some point during the season.

oldman 04-03-2023 09:54 AM
"While the 11 selections the Rams have are valuable, eight of those picks come after No. 150 overall. The team's three picks outside of those come on Day 2, and Los Angeles could use another one."

Sure, let's give up a #2 or 3 pick for a guy that had 339 yards last year. Makes sense --- if you're the Raiders.

wazu 04-03-2023 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16887408)
Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.
And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16887412)
If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.
And I didn't watch any LA Rams games (other than ours) and he didn't play that game.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16887418)
And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.
Just to put things in perspective - the Rams (5-12) gave up 59 sacks last year to their QB's. The Broncos (5-12) Gave up 63 and the Colts (4-12) 60.

So some of that play can possibly be attributed to the poor play of the offense in genreal?

Bowser 04-03-2023 10:07 AM
I guess the Rams are going to answer the question of "how much would you be willing to give to win ONE championship in your lifetime", because their cap situation might be the most cap-hell ridden cap that's ever been stuck in cap hell.

Balto 04-03-2023 10:12 AM
So if Rams cut him they would be hit with a $26M dead money hit BUT if traded only a $11.2M Dead Money hit. So even a 2024 7th round pick would be a benefit to them AND could even be one of those trades that the Rams actually give pick value to take Robinson.

For the trading team
2023: $10M Cap hit because the $5.25 Roster bonus has already been paid.
2024: $15.750M Cap hit


I'd still be ok with getting Robinson just not at that price when I believe OBJ could be had for that money and produce much better.

DenverChief 04-03-2023 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16887398)
Is he 30 this year?
He is - 30 on 08/24

Gravedigger 04-03-2023 10:17 AM
It's a shame that his career was wasted in Chicago.

warpaint* 04-03-2023 10:24 AM
I'd take a flier as a FA on a prove-it deal. At most a 7r. He'd only be here a yr regardless of how it goes most likely.


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