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dannybcaitlyn 11-17-2023 08:07 AM

Let’s face it. Veach will low ball him like every other player not named Mahomes. With all the draft capital spent on corners and safeties I’m sure he feels he has the upper hand.

Direckshun 11-17-2023 08:32 AM

This is a great marriage. No team, I would argue, could use the swiss army knife capability of Sneed better.

He has long been lauded here on CP and on reputable outlets such as KC Lab as being an elite blitzer/tackler while being a merely good coverage corner. His play this year silences that last half-criticism. He's been a Top 8 corner.

I think he makes a ton of sense in KC, but I can't see how we afford him. I've had him down as a for-sure free agent who walks and gets like $20m a year from some team that only uses him half as effectively as we do.

But if we can find a way to sign him, with some of the big decisions this team has this year (Jones) and next year (Creed & Bolton), I'll be ecstatic. He's been fantastic.

O.city 11-17-2023 08:52 AM

I think the chances of getting the value out of him are better than paying Jones at this point.

But if I was gonna go pay 20 plus mil for someone, I'd rather do it for a weapon on offense.

Gravedigger 11-17-2023 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 17227756)
Let’s face it. Veach will low ball him like every other player not named Mahomes. With all the draft capital spent on corners and safeties I’m sure he feels he has the upper hand.

He does have the upper hand, we've recycled so many DBs really ever since getting Charvarius Ward from the Cowboys. Whatever we're doing, it's working. Eric Berry and Ron Parker are the last DBs to be multiyear starters in the range of five years. You'll have your Honey Badger and Justin Reid for a few years, but our program doesn't sign long term deals over 3 years anymore. Justin Reid might buck that trend but I wouldn't expect Sneed to get more than a 3 year deal.

RunKC 11-17-2023 10:03 AM

At worst the Chiefs will get a plethora of comp picks in 2025. I think they bring back at least 1 of Chris Jones, Mike Danna, Willie Gay Jr and L'Jarius Sneed. Also think they bring back Donovan Smith and Drue Tranquill on reasonable deals.

You're looking at a 3rd and two 4th or 5th rd picks in 2025 if you bring Sneed back. That's how overpaid I think Danna and Willie will be.

Ideally we bring back Sneed, trade Chris Jones for multiple draft picks and get some comp picks in 2025.

RunKC 11-17-2023 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17226496)
Yep, I absolutely love Creed, but paying 15 million for a center? I just cannot see it.

Center is the cheapest position on the field outside of RB. If you give Creed a long 5 year deal that has a big cap hit in the last year when you can cut bait, the average would be roughly $12 million APY.

He's one of the 2 best Centers in the league and Thuney/Smith will be gone. Pay that man. Protect your investment

DaFace 11-17-2023 10:11 AM

Spotrac's algorithm says Sneed is worth about $7m/year, so it's gonna be interesting to see if it's wildly off or if people here are. ROFL

Wisconsin_Chief 11-17-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17227860)
At worst the Chiefs will get a plethora of comp picks in 2025. I think they bring back at least 1 of Chris Jones, Mike Danna, Willie Gay Jr and L'Jarius Sneed. Also think they bring back Donovan Smith and Drue Tranquill on reasonable deals.

You're looking at a 3rd and two 4th or 5th rd picks in 2023 if you bring Sneed back. That's how overpaid I think Danna and Willie will be.

Ideally we bring back Sneed, trade Chris Jones for multiple draft picks and get some comp picks in 2025.

They have a ton of tough decisions to make, honestly this will be the biggest offseason of Veach's career. With the amount of guys we could potentially lose over the next two years he's going to have to hit more homeruns than ever.

He's going to have to play 'Moneyball' more than ever. I think he kind of already started doing that this offseason with guys like Tranquill and Donovan Smith. It's not necessarily about keeping or signing certain players, it has to be getting the most value out of every dollar regardless of position. Getting a starting LT for $4 million is a great example. We will need tons more of those kind of moves. Paying guys market value is probably never going to happen here anymore, aside from Pat.

O.city 11-17-2023 10:25 AM

Sign the elite players you have, let teh good players walk and draft more good players. Simple formula right?

MIAdragon 11-17-2023 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17227877)
Spotrac's algorithm says Sneed is worth about $7m/year, so it's gonna be interesting to see if it's wildly off or if people here are. ROFL

There were quite a few adamant that we were not going to be able to afford Hardman so there’s that.

Direckshun 11-17-2023 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17227877)
Spotrac's algorithm says Sneed is worth about $7m/year, so it's gonna be interesting to see if it's wildly off or if people here are. ROFL

Charvarious Ward got $14m/year

Sneed will get $18m/year, I bet.

Hoover 11-17-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17227877)
Spotrac's algorithm says Sneed is worth about $7m/year, so it's gonna be interesting to see if it's wildly off or if people here are. ROFL

CP overvaluing player values? Never!

RunKC 11-17-2023 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17227901)
Sign the elite players you have, let teh good players walk and draft more good players. Simple formula right?

It's a 19 game season for us on average in the Mahomes era. It seems like a bad idea to pay Chris Jones a $30 million price tag at 30 when you already have Mahomes enormous contract and guys get hurt.

Look at what the Tyreek trade and benefits did for this team? Look at what extra draft picks and flexibility did for the Ravens in 2018, 2020 and 2022?

Free up money to bring in above average performers relative to pay like Tranquill, Omenihu and Edwards and then use your picks to go BPA and fill out the roster.

O.city 11-17-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17227928)
It's a 19 game season for us on average in the Mahomes era. It seems like a bad idea to pay Chris Jones a $30 million price tag at 30 when you already have Mahomes enormous contract and guys get hurt.

Look at what the Tyreek trade and benefits did for this team? Look at what extra draft picks and flexibility did for the Ravens in 2018, 2020 and 2022?

Free up money to bring in above average performers relative to pay like Tranquill, Omenihu and Edwards and then use your picks to go BPA and fill out the roster.

Depth and above average performers get you thru the regular season, to the playoffs.

As we've seen, you need elite players in the playoffs. Will Chris be that going forward? Age probably says no, so you let him walk and move on.

The Tyreek trade was great and helped get McDuffie etc. It's also not as likely gonna work like that and you end up with good players, but not great players and you've downgraded a bit.

It's a whole hell of alot easier to find your Edwards and Tranquills every year. Those guys are always available to be had.

The elite ones aren't. Is Sneed that? I'd probably argue.....shit I don't really even know what I'd say there. He's pretty damn good but they've shown to be able to draft secondary players. I'd rather trust my process to draft and develop another guy and use the money to go pay a guy at a spot I may have whiffed on.

jjchieffan 11-17-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17226378)
"Both sides are focused on the current season" also known as, he wants to hit free agency and max out his $ as he should.

As he should. I will never understand this mentality. Why should every player max out his earnings? It's not like they're making pennies out there. They're still getting millions. And before you start with the millionaires vs billionaires narrative, that isn't the case at all. There is this thing called the CBA. The CBA sets a salary cap and a salary floor. Most teams, including the Chiefs, are up against that cap every year. So the extra money going to top players isn't affecting the owners in the lear. They're spending that money anyway. The ones being affected are the blue collar type guys that are contributing every week. Those guys are taking less because the stars are taking most of what is available. Don't get me wrong. I want to see Sneed get paid. But I don't think that he's going to have trouble taking care of his family if he gets $10M per year instead of $18M per year. But if we pay him $18M, who is going to have to lose their job because there's not enough money left?


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