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Why Not? 12-17-2023 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17285579)
Mahomes never takes sacks.

Sacks are more of a QB stat than anytime

This. Half of these garbage QB's think they can hold the ball for 5 minutes on dropbacks.

TEX 12-17-2023 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17285955)
and yet you keep trying.

Much of what he says is coming true. Its your side that has been mostly wrong this season, which is unusual. :shrug:

RunKC 12-17-2023 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17285941)
If we're going by hindsight I would rather have signed OBJ to be the LT and started Wanya at RT. Then I would have used the saved money to get a WR so that I don't have to see Toney lose games and raise Mahomes interception numbers on simple plays.

Paying the LT who couldn't stop a speed rush to save his life and also was responsible for getting Mahomes hurt?

That's a bold strategy

Chief Pagan 12-17-2023 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17286473)
Paying the LT who couldn't stop a speed rush to save his life and also was responsible for getting Mahomes hurt?

That's a bold strategy

Gee, it's like sometimes the cards don't always fall your way.

Who knew?

-King- 12-17-2023 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17286473)
Paying the LT who couldn't stop a speed rush to save his life and also was responsible for getting Mahomes hurt?

That's a bold strategy

I didn't like either one of them. Didn't like OBJ as our LT and dont like Taylor as the RT. I was ok with paying Taylor what he got if he converted over to LT which is what we expected.

But again, if you had to make a decision, who is better OBJ at LT at 31mil + whoever we get for the 30mil saved. Or Taylor at RT for 60mil guaranteed, which are you taking?

Which would you rather have?

OBJ + Jakobi Meyers for $52mil guaranteed

Or

OBJ + Hopkins for $41mil guaranteed

Or

Jawaan Taylor for 60mil guaranteed?

tredadda 12-17-2023 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17286104)
No he won't. Pederson knows who he chose not to sign.;)

Or he could be looking into the future and realizing they can’t afford signing Taylor to a huge contract knowing that Josh Allen (their JA) is having a career year and will be a huge priority to sign as will Lawrence.

tredadda 12-17-2023 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17286492)
I didn't like either one of them. Didn't like OBJ as our LT and dont like Taylor as the RT. I was ok with paying Taylor what he got if he converted over to LT which is what we expected.

But again, if you had to make a decision, who is better OBJ at LT at 31mil + whoever we get for the 30mil saved. Or Taylor at RT for 60mil guaranteed, which are you taking?

Which would you rather have?

OBJ + Jakobi Meyers for $52mil guaranteed

Or

OBJ + Hopkins for $41mil guaranteed

Or

Jawaan Taylor for 60mil guaranteed?

Is your OBJ contract based on what Cincy gave him or what KC offered him?

RunKC 12-17-2023 08:03 PM

Yeah giving Orlando this contract would have been a disaster LMAO

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Schefter says the final offer from K.C. was a six-year deal worth $139 million with an average salary of $23.16 million per year and a $30.25 million signing bonus. The contract would pay $95 million in the first five years.

FloridaMan88 12-17-2023 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17285931)
The WR room.

This.

Although Taylor setting the single season penalty record… he’s just 6 away… would make Veach’s decision to make him the second highest paid RT in football look even worse.

-King- 12-17-2023 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17286507)
Is your OBJ contract based on what Cincy gave him or what KC offered him?

What Cinci gave him. You can look back at the OBJ contract thread. I was NEVER in favor of making him anywhere close to the highest paid tackle. What Cinci gave him was fair value for his talent level.

tredadda 12-17-2023 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17286513)
This.

Although Taylor setting the single season penalty record… he’s just 6 away… would make Veach’s decision to make him the second highest paid RT in football look even worse.

Not defending Taylor, but that is not a completely fair assessment based on the fact that he’s been targeted by the league because of that Collinsworth comment despite other RTs doing the same thing.

tredadda 12-17-2023 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17286524)
What Cinci gave him. You can look back at the OBJ contract thread. I was NEVER in favor of making him anywhere close to the highest paid tackle. What Cinci gave him was fair value for his talent level.

Then your comparison doesn’t work as KC was never signing OBJ for what Cincy gave him. That died the moment KC lifted his tag and he found out exactly what the league thought of him.

-King- 12-17-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17286549)
Then your comparison doesn’t work as KC was never signing OBJ for what Cincy gave him. That died the moment KC lifted his tag and he found out exactly what the league thought of him.

Ok, give him 31.1mil guaranteed then.


Regardless, 80mil for Taylor was wayyy too much given how he's played. It's just wild to be in a position where a player commits a penalty so much, it's accepted and the blame is in the ref for the 5% of the time they call it. Dude should have adjusted after he got 10 penalties his rookie year. But instead here we are, with him committing the same penalties except now they stall our offense which is already having a hard time finding footing.

tredadda 12-17-2023 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17286564)
Ok, give him 31.1mil guaranteed then.


Regardless, 80mil for Taylor was wayyy too much given how he's played. It's just wild to be in a position where a player commits a penalty so much, it's accepted and the blame is in the ref for the 5% of the time they call it. Dude should have adjusted after he got 10 penalties his rookie year. But instead here we are, with him committing the same penalties except now they stall our offense which is already having a hard time finding footing.

And I can agree with you on what they are paying him vs producing. I am not going to say that all of his penalties are a product of the refs and he should have adjusted by now. He hasn’t and I am willing to give him an offseason to fix it. At the same time, if his alignment was such an issue why has Andy and Heck not fixed it either? I also am willing to acknowledge that at least the beginning of the season he had a target on his back.

-King- 12-17-2023 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17286667)
And I can agree with you on what they are paying him vs producing. I am not going to say that all of his penalties are a product of the refs and he should have adjusted by now. He hasn’t and I am willing to give him an offseason to fix it. At the same time, if his alignment was such an issue why has Andy and Heck not fixed it either? I also am willing to acknowledge that at least the beginning of the season he had a target on his back.

Officials are pretty much letting his alignment issues go. He only has 2 penalties off that this year and I think they both came in week 1. The issue with the alignment is moreso it's forcing Trey Smith to have to block a bigger area and he's not good at that. He's more of a phone booth mauler type blocker and that's why he's being beat so often this year.


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