Ive read a couple of times most recently in Dean's article about Johnson that Bell has yet to go full speed and the team is not letting him and that DV and Bell both are not confident he's 'ready'.

That's not a good sign.

Rick Dean's article has a quote about Bell that makes you wonder if you know who is right.

Could that be he's not "ready" because he's not getting enough reps, because the team is being too cautious with him? If that's the case, it's easily rectified. I'm not gonna worry too much about it until the guy is actually injured.

From yesterday. Didn't he have a shoulder problem?

Q: You said you haven’t had a chance to turn Kendrell Bell loose this year. What were you talking about? Blitz situations?

VERMEIL: “No, full-speed contact drills, the nine-on-sevens and the half-lines and team and blitz periods. We just haven’t turned him loose because we aren’t confident and he isn’t confident that he’s ready to go.”

Q: Is he going to play Friday?

VERMEIL: “I don’t think so.”

So he's not hurt, they're just being very cautious with him. Doesn't sound good, but it could be worse.

How did he pass the physical?

that's strange...because Bell claimed he was 100% ready to play in the offseason....

Well.....it's not like we didn't know he was injury prone...

Right, and we signed him as such, he really wasn't that costly. It's a high risk/high reward situation. This early in pre-season, there really isn't any pressure to turn him loose anyway. I'm not overly concerned with holding him back at this point. Three weeks from now, I might be...

Exactly.

Better late than never.

85? Holy F@k

You're slacking, boy. We may have to let you go.

I wish my current employer took that attitude. I'd gladly go for the severance package right now.

up, up

Watch out for the cheap shots, boys. These are the Vikings, remember?

Bump.

I don't like Holcombe being out six weeks. He is a nice insurance policy in the backfield. I guess this means Ronnie Cruz makes the team, for at least the first month of the season.

Sampson having turf toe isn't a good thing, either. He needs to be planting that foot every play and can't take a play off or half speed. Hopefully (but not likely), that problem will be taken care of before preseason is over. Good thing Jordan Black has had a nice showing at RT.

Tynes is Scottish. Of course he was drunk! :D Competition for him will only be a good thing.

Mitch said the team will likely look to bring in another FB, Cruz isn't going to cut it if TRich goes down.

The biggest bummer is that this likely limits what they can do at the WR position.

Yeah, didn't look at it that way. Who'd be the five, and do they risk putting Thorpe on the practice squad? Or keep him and throw Horn on the P/S?

Kennison
Parker
Hall
Boerigter
Horn/Thorpe

I'm still not sold on Freddie Mitchell making this team.

Right now, I don't see any way we put Thorpe on PS. He looked very good catching the ball and he's obviously fast. Route running just takes some work. He'll get it.

I'd go Kennison, Parker, Hall, Bo, and Thorpe.

After watching the game yesterday, Wilkerson was consistantly getting pressure on the QB. Granted he was working against 2nd and 3rd string tackles but I thought he played really well. I also thought that Sims actually was impressive pushing the pocket when he wasn't double teamed. The unfortunate thing is that none of the other 1st unit linemen took advantage.

The injury to Sampson will only hurt him individually, which sucks because he played really well in the game. I hope he is healthy and starting Week1.
Collins never sees the field anyway so I don't know what him being out really does to the team. On the one hand, maybe Green might have to take a few more throws in practice now, and I hope he doesnt wear out. On the other hand, this might be a blessing as it gives Huard and Kilian more reps, both are younger and looked like they were a bit a more mobile. Never the less, I am concerned about the QB depth chart after Green.
Losing Holcombe is disappointing, I think he was propably a pretty important pickup and a quality backup FB and HB. It looks like the Chiefs are pretty thin at the position already. I don't see Wilson being moved there. Does anyone know about #48 Edwin Thompson? He made a few solid blocks playing the second TE. He looks like he has the ability to play some FB?
I believe Tynes will pull through and get more consistant as the season approaches. Im not really for bringing in competition. I cant see anyone that has the potential of Tynes. I saw him kick in the CFL a few seasons back and had a record setting year. He has a strong leg and was forced to kick in some pretty bad weather.
Having Shields back is great.

I would say there's a good possibility that Allen was with Wesley and Siavii at the bar.
The Holcombe thing sucks, mostly because it limits our options on roster space.
Wilson probably won't be counted on as a fulltime FB, if T Rich went down, but I know he practices at the position. Saunders has mentioned bringing him in at 3 positons; WR, TE and FB.

There's absolutely no evidence to suggest Allen was there, why would you suggest it?

Yeah, he probably wasn't there. I just know the guy really likes to party and he was demoted on the same day.
This is a second year player that is coming off a 9 sack rookie year. Either the Chiefs are trying to use the demotion to motivate Allen or Allen did something more to piss off the staff (mostly likely the first scenario). I can't see them permanently benching Allen because he was overly aggressive on two plays in the first preseason game.

Allen's been a liability against the run since he got here. He was given the benefit of having nobody behind him that was better.

Good to hear Gun is pissed off beyond belief. I expect better in the next preseason game

Actually, it almost sounded like Gunther is despondent.

He's probably just tired, and overstressed. I don't blame the guy.

My problem is that Gunther has a history of getting down and contemplating giving up.

Being head coach comes with a shitload more responsibility and stress. Come to think of it, he was probablly on this board all those mornings at 3 am reading the rantings. So I blame all the long timers for making him depondent.

:D

Maybe its because we don't have intellegent defensive players on this team?
When I say intellegent, I mean defensive players that are not only smart, players that listen, and buy into his philosophies and schemes.

That's probably why he's losing it. Being a teacher ain't easy.

But according to most, that was the problem with Robinson. The players didn't like him, they didn't buy into his scheme.

If that's the case, is there ANY coach they'll listen to?

Holthus on Des Moines radio 8/16
 

Talked about Gunther on the rampage.

Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up.

Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan.

Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team.

Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick.

Some scrub from ISU quit the team.

Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting.

You could say that at least he has balls.

I think Gunther is starting to lose it again.

Kevin DeRonde left camp saying he wanted to retire and go back to school.

Gun has been furious with Boomer several times in camp about lining up wrong, missed gap assignments....... welcome to the NFL rookie ........ :D

Allen has gotten a taste of Gun from sloppy play.......

I would say that Gun is try'n to light a fire into them........

while the D is getting grilled the O is getting coddled. The D should really be wanting to rip some heads off

Well, if Vermeil set the tone this offseason with guys sitting out with every little energy by giving all the offensive "stars" half day practices, lots of days off, etc, etc...

Hope he lit a fire under Hodge, we could really use him to step up.

We could end up seeing a defensive coach get tattoed by one of his def. players. Now, wouldn't that make the news.

I"m glad to see the defense start feeling the pressure. They've stunk for too long. Gun wants accountabilty.

That's what I'm starting to think too.....

Can you blame him? What do you want him to do? Light a cigar, kick his feet up, and watch us have the worst defense in the NFL for the third straight year?

Hmmmmmm.....interesting that he mentioned this. Im started to beleive more and more everyday that Vermeil wont win one here.

I don't think he's losing it. I think he's tired of the piss poor play. If you inherited a shitty defense and then got new parts and it still stunk I'd be foaming at the mouth too. If they come out and rip a new asshole in the Cardinals I bet he backs off... a little next week. :)

WTF is up with Hodge? Holds out and then talks back to a coach? He ain't done chit yet.

Gee, I wonder where he got that info from.
http://espn.go.com/magazine/Copy%20o...no19hirdt.html

Rule 1: No Team That Won Fewer Than Four Games in a Season Has Ever Won the Super Bowl the Next Season. This is the era of last-to-first teams, and the last three Super Bowl winners came from so far off the radar screen that none made a single appearance on Monday Night Football during its title campaign. The Rams won coming off a 4–12 season, the Ravens after 8–8 and the Patriots after 5–11, leaving no precedent for last year's doormats, the Bills (3–13), Lions (2–14) and Panthers (1–15). Nor, of course, for the Texans (0–0).

Rule 2: No Team That Won Exactly Seven Games in a Season Has Ever Won the Super Bowl the Next Season. A little-known corollary to Rule 1 that's effective in eliminating teams from Super Bowl consideration. Last year's seven-win teams -- the Browns, Titans, Giants, Cardinals, Saints and Falcons -- won't have to fret about getting the last pick in Round 1 of next year's draft.

Rule 3: No Head Coach Who Won a Super Bowl With One Team Has Ever Won a Subsequent Super Bowl With a Different Team. Many have tried, including Vince Lombardi, Hank Stram, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and George Seifert; none has succeeded. What does that mean for Dick Vermeil's Chiefs and Mike Holmgren's Seahawks? No soup for you!

Rule 4: No Team That Lost in the Wild-Card Round Has Ever Won the Super Bowl the Next Season. Not as well known as "The Buccaneers can't win in the cold," but just as devastating. There have been 78 wild-card games, and thus 78 losing teams, since Pete Rozelle inaugurated the concept in 1978. The first 74 have gone 0–74 at winning the Super Bowl the following year; the other four are last year's wild-card losers: the Buccaneers, Jets, 49ers and Dolphins. Sorry, guys.

Rule 5: No Team Whose Opening-Day QB Was Drafted by a Team That Had Never Before Drafted a Super Bowl-Winning QB Has Ever Won a Super Bowl. First, say that three times fast. For example: Donovan McNabb is the Eagles' opening-day quarterback this year. He was drafted by the Eagles, who have never drafted a QB who has won a Super Bowl. So, say goodbye to the Eagles, Ravens, Chargers, Vikings and Broncos. (Elway, remember, was drafted by the Colts.)

Rule 6: No Team With a Head Coach Whose Surname Starts With the Letter "C" Has Ever Won a Super Bowl. In fact, only one C-coach has even reached a Super Bowl: Bill Cowher lost to Barry Switzer in Super Bowl XXX. (Of course, you know that S-coaches have won their last five Super Bowl appearances ... but I digress.) The immutable laws of alphabetization thus eliminate Dave Campo's Cowboys, Bill Callahan's Raiders, Tom Coughlin's Jaguars and Cowher's Steelers as possible winners of Super Bowl XXXVII. (They also toss a double dose of dirt on Dom Capers' Texans, though you can get eliminated only once around here.)

Rule 7: No Team That Has Played a Regular-Season Game in Tampa's Raymond James Stadium Has Ever Won a Super Bowl That Season. Nine different teams -- including the Buccaneers, of course -- will play regular-season games in Tampa this year. Seven of them have previously been axed from a possible photo op with the commander-in-chief. The Rams and the Packers will go into the off-season cursing the NFL's scheduling formula that sent them to play at Raymond James, thereby snuffing out their chance to hoist the Lombardi.

Rule 8: No Team That Averaged Fewer Than 17 Points Per Game in a Season Has Ever Won the Super Bowl the Next Season. It doesn't matter how many points Steve Spurrier's Redskins might score in the upcoming regular season. The die was cast last year, when the Skins averaged only 16 points per game. This rule also eliminates the Bengals, who averaged only 14.1 points in 2001.

Rule 9: No Team That Allowed More Than 26 Points Per Game in a Season Has Ever Won the Super Bowl the Next Season. The Colts made it this far, but Rule 9 does to them what the training camp Turk does to undrafted free agents. It doesn't matter how well Tony Dungy's D fares this season; the horse escaped the barn when last year's Colts yielded 30.4 points per game.

Rule 10: No Team That Went From Last to First in Its Division Has Ever Won the Super Bowl the Next Season. In other words, after a big leap forward, it's tough to maintain your place and/or take it up another level. This spells curtains for the Bears and the Patriots, each of whom finished last in their respective division in 2000 before emerging as 2001 division champions.

OK, we are dooooomed.........

Where are our famous BB chicken littles at this morning ?

They are all hanging out in the new Royals "coop"..........

Yea, how dare he try and repeat information that we may or may not have already learned in an article written 3 years ago.

No I don't blame him at all. I just think he's probably a crazy ol bastard. You took it that I meant it was a bad thing or something I guess. He should be separating the men from the boys at least.

This is the new NFL mentality ya know. Maurice Clarett and company who think they're owned something because they once did something in college.

Attention rookies and prima donna's....this is your job now. Your employer is paying you to do it the way they want you to do it. You're fortunate to have this opportunity so stfu and work. Maybe one day you'll actually amount to something.

That's subsequent SB, meaning the following year. DV has been here 4 years already. This is his 5th year.

I guess the Bucs broke that rule after the 2002 season.

See previous. Besides, Raymond James Stadium isn't very old. That is a lame rule.

I can see how this would fit since it is hard to turn around a defense drastically in one season.

Gunther has a sense of urgency about they way they played last week and that the opener is less than a month away.

If any of our other coaches had some urgency before this season then we wouldn't be in as bad as shape as we are and maybe even won a superbowl by now.

Between the frequency of Gunther's emotional outbursts and Vermeil's mistaken belief that all our players are named Johnny, I'm beginning to wonder if the entire coaching staff is about to come unglued.

Uh, it would be wise to ask Titus about that, he appears to know more than the coaches or any other BB member here. :hmmm:

THis is about as relevant as Mama Leone's Palm reading service.

No team who has collectively shit up the toilettes have ever won a Super Bowl either.

Hodge didn't hold out so I don't know where you're getting that from.

Gunther is just pissed because alot of the mistakes that are being made on D are just flat out stupid mental mistakes. Guys lining up wrong. not reading a play right, a defensive end rushing in like he's rushing the passer on a running play. Some of these mistakes they're making are things you learn when your 7 years old.

I think he's got a reason to be pretty pissed off at this point.

bump

wtf?

What the hell is going on in TC this year. geezus.