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go bo 09-10-2005 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 4th and Long
[Beatles]Boy, you gotta carry that weight, Carry that weight a long time.[/Beatles]
man, george could make that guitar do so many psychelic things...

sometimes i wonder if people gave enough credit to george for making the beatle's sound what it was...

and the band didn't really start to take off until they found ringo...

it was all 4 of them, working together, that made the music revolutionary yet very successful...

each a genious in his own right...

damn, i was starting to go to bed and you had to go and bring up the beatles...

i was just listening to some of their earlier albums the other day with my old headphones (with the vol cranked way way up) and i guess i was singing along a little (i couldn't hear myself doing it though)...

anyway, the wife came in and stood there looking at me bouncing around in my chair and "singing" and she bust out laughing so hard she had to sit down...

enough nostalgia, i'm off to bed...

goodnight one and all.. :BLVD: :BLVD: BLVD:

Phobia 09-10-2005 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by stevieray
forever and a day we've "heard' about how the majority rules on this board...

what a load.
Name one time majority hasn't ruled? Once. If I didn't know better, I'd have thought you were questioning my integrity. I'll accept your apology any way you want to send it.

luv 09-10-2005 01:42 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but is there anyway to add the the Arrowhead page? You could move all subforums to it. And include a few more. Like an NFT forum, or a jokes forum, or a hobbies forum, or a silly question forum.

4th and Long 09-10-2005 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3
Take those and run with them.

Phobia 09-10-2005 01:54 AM
Those are what I like best. I just realized I suck at HTML and that I should wait until I'm sober to jack with it tomorrow.

keg in kc 09-10-2005 01:56 AM
Remember. Make payments with paypal. Because it's fast, free...and secure. Yep.

Phobia 09-10-2005 01:57 AM
Shut up, Kyle. It's staying that way, too. Maybe for a while.

tk13 09-10-2005 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Phobia
Those are what I like best. I just realized I suck at HTML and that I should wait until I'm sober to jack with it tomorrow.
ROFL I wondered why I saw it in my smiley box when making a post....

Phobia 09-10-2005 01:58 AM
You like that better?

keg in kc 09-10-2005 01:58 AM
Why, whatever are you telling me to shut up for? I'm mr. innocence himself!

keg in kc 09-10-2005 02:00 AM
Much better.

tk13 09-10-2005 02:00 AM
ROFL That's even better. You're a superstar keg.

keg in kc 09-10-2005 02:02 AM
[innocence]Hey, I don't know what you mean, tk13. Leave me out of this. I don't know what's going on here, why he's saying that to AustinChief, and I don't wanna.[/innocence]

tk13 09-10-2005 02:04 AM
Oh shit! Phob messed up again. Don't drink and write code, kids!

keg in kc 09-10-2005 02:13 AM
I'd laugh, but I wouldn't know code if it slapped me upside the head.

Phobia 09-10-2005 02:16 AM
The real problem appears to be the fact that I can't FTP the images to the server, which is why I tried to dump them into the smilie folder. Shit. I suck.

BigRedChief 09-10-2005 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Phobia
Shit. I suck.
Can I quote that and use it in my sig?

htismaqe 09-10-2005 09:06 AM
I can't believe the drama queens are still at work.

It's sad and pathetic that we have to have "sides" on this board.

The whole "they know they can't win now, so they want DC gone" argument is pure, unadulterated 4th-grade behavior...

Phobia 09-10-2005 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
Can I quote that and use it in my sig?
I guess. I'm pretty sure everybody already knew.

Simplex3 09-10-2005 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13
Oh shit! Phob messed up again. Don't drink and write code, kids!
Hell, a bottle of Scotch is the only way I can write a decent Crystal Report.

chiefs4me 09-10-2005 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Phobia
I guess. I'm pretty sure everybody already knew.



ROFL.....I think you are right this time.

penchief 09-10-2005 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I can't believe the drama queens are still at work.

It's sad and pathetic that we have to have "sides" on this board.

The whole "they know they can't win now, so they want DC gone" argument is pure, unadulterated 4th-grade behavior...
I agree that it's a shame that we have to have sides. However, I think it is the other side that is acting childish. I want them to stick around and admit they were wrong. :D

htismaqe 09-10-2005 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
I want them to stick around and admit they were wrong. :D
Which, in and of itself, is EVERY BIT as childish as they are...

morphius 09-10-2005 01:40 PM
I'm late in the debate, but I think we should have a link to the Chiefsplanet Store, and not so much a forum for it. Just my thought on it though. I would probably do something more loud then what Simplex3 is suggesting and might even go so far as suggesting someone make a banner to replace the Chiefs Planet Logo with the Logo that also links to buying stuff "our" gear.

Just a thought though, and since it is mine it will probably suck.

Phobia 09-10-2005 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
This thread, apparently.
I try to let day and night crews get a chance to vote before pulling the trigger. This poll isn't done yet.

memyselfI 09-10-2005 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by morphius
I'm late in the debate, but I think we should have a link to the Chiefsplanet Store, and not so much a forum for it. Just my thought on it though. I would probably do something more loud then what Simplex3 is suggesting and might even go so far as suggesting someone make a banner to replace the Chiefs Planet Logo with the Logo that also links to buying stuff "our" gear.

Just a thought though, and since it is mine it will probably suck.
Yeah, that is what I had in mind earlier when I suggested a 'cool graphic.' Something larger than a button that would not only serve as a link but an advertisement...

morphius 09-10-2005 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI
Yeah, that is what I had in mind earlier when I suggested a 'cool graphic.' Something larger than a button that would not only serve as a link but an advertisement...
See, I agree with you, so therefore my idea must suck :D

Phobia 09-10-2005 02:03 PM
Oh, I'm sure that would have been better. I'm sure had I been sober I might have. I took it personally and responded in kind. I'll see him tonight and we'll dance and sing Elvis tunes together. That's how friends work sometimes.

Fairplay 09-10-2005 02:09 PM
If DC was taken out. Wouldn't the same people be posting the political threads in 'The Lounge' like it was before?

I got tired of the argueing going back and forth.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Donger
Sans nuking the entire thing, I'd vote for that.
You can't do that, then the liberals wouldn't have a reason to get up in the morning.

go bo 09-10-2005 02:17 PM
i think it's been stated several times in this thread that nobody is proposing to kill d.c., just move it to the first page where all the subforums are located instead of it being a subforum of the lounge...

it's a good idea, but i prersonally think it will reduce even further the participation of ordinary people coming over to d.c. to visit and maybe make a few posts...

further segregation of the d.c. forum will leave nothing but the dingbats arguing about bush burning babies...

some of us actually enjoy discussions about topics that are no longer allowed on the main board but that don't necessarily involve partisan politics (other than the usual suspects, of course)...

having said all that, i will support whatever decision phobia makes, whether it is based on this pole or otherwise...

go bo 09-10-2005 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
You can't do that, then the liberals wouldn't have a reason to get up in the morning.
liberals get up in the morning?

are you sure?

have you ever witnessed a liberal gettig up with you own eyes?

how do you know it's true, then?

Calcountry 09-10-2005 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Of course you would, and can't. You're falling right in line with the rest of those who abused others for their disagreements in the past but you are no longer willing to defend your previously held postitions.

You know, you guys may have pissed me off before but at least I hada degree of respect for your diligence. Now I'm feeling disillusioned. You guys are acting like pussies.
No, we just have a life.

memyselfI 09-10-2005 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by morphius
See, I agree with you, so therefore my idea must suck :D
Not your idea, just you. :p

Fairplay 09-10-2005 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by go bo
having said all that, i will support whatever decision phobia makes, whether it is based on this pole or otherwise...



suckass..... :p

Calcountry 09-10-2005 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI
Or lurk.
Do you lefties really believe that the reason we don't mess with that crap as much has to do with the strength of your arguments? Puhlease, you are way too full of your dogma.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
The DC fourm is insightful and provocative. It invites intelligence (and idiocy, too). It is one of the things that makes ChiefsPlanet very unique.

JMO.
Let me gues, the intelligent would be the "left", and the idiots, that would be the "right"?

Guess why we don't post there anymore? :shrug:

Calcountry 09-10-2005 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chagrin
Bullshit, you're not gone because too many people, including myself believe that banning folks because we don't agree with them or dislike them is stupid, that is the only reason you are still here.
What personality did you use to go by? This post speaks to familiarity with meme, and you have only been here since April? I'm confused.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cochise
It's interesting on the level of being some kind of sick spectator sport. But when it comes right down to it, everything is so stagnant that none of it affects my life THAT much anyway.

Taxes go up or down, they cut this or send extra funding toward that, most of it doesn't matter to me. I get up and go to work in the morning and take care of myself. I guess the government doesn't interest me much anymore because I don't live life relying on it to take care of me.
Precisely.
:thumb:

FloridaChief 09-10-2005 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
Sober people are boring anyway.
I'll drink to that...

Calcountry 09-10-2005 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
In a sense that is true, it is exactly as it always has been, a person who thought it was crap is going to still think it is crap and I respect that view.

On the other hand what I don't respect is my fellow conservatives who are no longer in the clear majority over there and right now under siege because the administration has it's share of problems wanting to destroy it so they feel like somehow they have won. I do think having no visible link to it on the Lounge will destroy it so they will likely get their wish.

Hell maybe if that is how childish this place has become I should start looking for a new BB to frequent. Probably won't happen but this is a pretty disgusting exhibiton of a veiled banishment of a segment of posters.
Dude, you may be an economic conservative, but I know conservative, conservative was a friend of mine, and let me tell you something, YOU'RE NO CONSERVATIVE. :p

Calcountry 09-10-2005 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
i was one of the ones who voted to have the separate forums and i still think it should be separate.

But moving it is basically killing it and that will hurt traffic AND part of the overall forum. If you don't wanna talk politics, don't go to the DC forum.

SOME conservatives are basically just wanting to take their ball and go home because it's no longer they way they want it.


AND YES donger was one of the people who posted politics consitantly.... i remember because i always thought that Donger was really KCWolfman's(Russ) alter ego and he just used Donger to post crap so he didn't take a bunch of crap as a mod.

and no he is cutting bait because it's no longer a liberal bash fest


if you don't like the way someone posts don't vote to ban ... use iggy

if you don't wanna see the girly thread ... don't visit that thread

if you don't wanna talk politics ... don't go to the DC forum.



the geeks and game forums are both waaay small enough to be combined without much to any impact.

the store can easily be an AD link entrance to the Store forum


there are many ways to handle it without losing anything.


SOME people are just using this as an excuse to try to atomic bomb the DC forum as a lame way to say if conservatives can't have the DC forum, nobody can ... BOOM.
What we are saying, is that we don't give a fug about the political forum. It is counterproductive, it doesn't prove anything, it doesn't change how someone votes, it doesn't even change anyones mind about Bush. All it is, is a place for you disaffected, pissed off souls to go and make yourself feel better about your life. Look at who is crying the hardest about losing it? What exactly is it, that you are losing out on by not being able to spout your left wing crap?

Calcountry 09-10-2005 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
That, or they just fill pity for the few remaining die hard Royals' fans.....
No kidding, I didn't even make a post after the A's swept them in KC.

But hey, we let them break their losing streak on us in Oaktown.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
What we are saying, is that we don't give a fug about the political forum
then don't go there ... nobody is forcing you





problem solved

Calcountry 09-10-2005 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I think I can show you posts from Skip and Big Daddy that will show that is not true. At least if they were not killed in the great database correction. I specifically recall Phil (back when I was a moderator) saying that all picture threads were to be moved the the separate forum and that Big Daddy went ballistic because he thought they were trying to kill his thread. Skip just recently went ballistic when he was helping someone with a DTV issue and the thread got moved to the Geeks thread.
God forbid anyone ever move a Gay thread.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 03:48 PM
If liberals are arguing in the DC forum and no conservatives are around to hear them, are they still wrong?





OK, I'm sorry, I won't poke sticks at them any more on this issue. Bad Jamie, bad.

Rukdafaidas 09-10-2005 03:56 PM
It might have already been mentioned, but why not start Politicalplanet.com?
It would probably surpass chiefsplanet.com in a year, as much as people like to bitch about politics.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13
Here guys, if you aren't happy with those other buttons, I made some up real quick for you to use.
Did you go to Skool? Was Miss Bitter your teacher?

ROFL

Calcountry 09-10-2005 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
then don't go there ... nobody is forcing you





problem solved
Flash, we haven't been, Certainly not like before the election. So you all think that your points are winning, because we are "running". Not not not, rather, we just ain't going there. Problem solved.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
If liberals are arguing in the DC forum and no conservatives are around to hear them, are they still wrong?





OK, I'm sorry, I won't poke sticks at them any more on this issue. Bad Jamie, bad.
No, it means that the liberals have increased their numbers. :rolleyes:

Calcountry 09-10-2005 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas
It might have already been mentioned, but why not start Politicalplanet.com?
It would probably surpass chiefsplanet.com in a year, as much as people like to bitch about politics.
You could have a hotlink from one forum to the other.

:D

keg in kc 09-10-2005 04:28 PM
I make a motion that we move this thread to DC.

C-Mac 09-10-2005 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
I make a motion that we move this thread to DC.
I mentioned that about 200 posts ago... :shake:

old_geezer 09-10-2005 04:32 PM
Quite obviously this thread needs to be moved to the political forum.

old_geezer 09-10-2005 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by C-Mac
I mentioned that about 200 posts ago... :shake:

Great minds think alike

old_geezer 09-10-2005 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
I make a motion that we move this thread to DC.

Great minds think alike

C-Mac 09-10-2005 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by old_geezer
Great minds think alike
Scary huh?

penchief 09-10-2005 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Which, in and of itself, is EVERY BIT as childish as they are...
Damnit htismaqe! I used a very rare smiley to indicate my humor yet it still went over your head. Com'n, man. Please cut me some slack. I smothered that post with sarcasm.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Damnit htismaqe! I used a very rare smiley to indicate my humor yet it still went over your head. Com'n, man. Please cut me some slack. I smothered that post with sarcasm.
You know damn well you weren't being sarcastic.

The liberals are enjoying their time in the sun. It's cyclical.

penchief 09-10-2005 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
No, we just have a life.
.............all of a sudden.....

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
.............all of a sudden.....

Believe it or not, it does happen like that some times. I had no life for a long time, and then last December acquired one. I am back to not having one, but I am hoping that is only temporary....

penchief 09-10-2005 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You know damn well you weren't being sarcastic.

The liberals are enjoying their time in the sun. It's cyclical.
Of course we are enjoying the fact that we have been proven right. We took a shitload of verbal abuse from those who have recently vacated the DC board. However, my post was still meant to be lighthearted. I have no ill-will toward those who espoused differnt views or even those who bullied.

While you are correct that there is a degree of satisfaction peppered within my sarcasm there is no malice, whatsoever.

One thing about liberals..............we really are a forgiving lot.

penchief 09-10-2005 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
Believe it or not, it does happen like that some times. I had no life for a long time, and then last December acquired one. I am back to not having one, but I am hoping that is only temporary....
I agree and completely understand. While I'm certain nobody here noticed, I vacated this board for about six months when my girlfriend and I split.

But it does seem strange that so many who have been so vocal for so long would all vacate at almost precisely the same time.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Of course we are enjoying the fact that we have been proven right. We took a shitload of verbal abuse from those who have recently vacated the DC board. However, my post was still meant to be lighthearted. I have no ill-will toward those who espoused differnt views or even those who bullied.

While you are correct that there is a degree of satisfaction peppered within my sarcasm there is no malice, whatsoever.

One thing about liberals..............we really are a forgiving lot.

*cough*bullshit*cough*

penchief 09-10-2005 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
*cough*bullshit*cough*
Really, we are........but only if you admit your mistakes. Otherwise, we'll electrocute your nuts.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
I agree and completely understand. While I'm certain nobody here noticed, I vacated this board for about six months when my girlfriend and I split.

But it does seem strange that so many who have been so vocal for so long would all vacate at almost precisely the same time.

What time is that? The start of football season? Is that the time you are talking about?

htismaqe 09-10-2005 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by penchief
Of course we are enjoying the fact that we have been proven right. We took a shitload of verbal abuse from those who have recently vacated the DC board. However, my post was still meant to be lighthearted. I have no ill-will toward those who espoused differnt views or even those who bullied.

While you are correct that there is a degree of satisfaction peppered within my sarcasm there is no malice, whatsoever.

One thing about liberals..............we really are a forgiving lot.
So are most of the conservatives here. And you should be thankful they are, because they'll get a chance in the future to tell you you were wrong.

That's the way with politics...nobody is EVER actually right.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by penchief
Really, we are........but only if you admit your mistakes. Otherwise, we'll electrocute your nuts.

*cough*bullshit*cough*



A more hate filled, spite filled, and vindictice group I have not come across.

penchief 09-10-2005 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
What time is that? The start of football season? Is that the time you are talking about?
Excellent point.

However, the ritual abuse of the liberal viewpoint has never been this absent.

penchief 09-10-2005 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
So are most of the conservatives here. And you should be thankful they are, because they'll get a chance in the future to tell you you were wrong.

That's the way with politics...nobody is EVER actually right.
"Correcto-mundo, you are." - Yoda

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Excellent point.

However, the ritual abuse of the liberal viewpoint has never been this absent.

When was the last time we had an offseason like we had this year to fill us with speculation and hope?

It has been just a little over a year since the board first split, and last year was an election year, this year is not. It is kind of assanine to be judging track records on such a short, and unique time period.

Logical 09-10-2005 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
Dude, you may be an economic conservative, but I know conservative, conservative was a friend of mine, and let me tell you something, YOU'RE NO CONSERVATIVE. :p
Nor do I want to be on every issue. See I am one that fits both sides and am on debates on both sides. I will honestly miss the forum when it is gone, and believe me once it is off the front page in any form it will be gone. I kind of find it strange that all this occured after the conservative block failed to get DEnise banned. I sort of feel this is all about their inability to ignore seeing her name when it appears on the front page of the lounge. Even if it is those brief glimpses when she is the most recent poster in the DC forum.

One thing I can promise is that what you will see is more crossover threads, threads which are not political but used to go over there because we could generate discussion and respect the football mainly nature of the lounge. I know I will be putting my religion, homosexual marriage, and other such non-political threads back on the front page after the link is gone. Those threads are not banned from the front page as Endelt pointed out earlier, only political threads are banned from the front page.

Logical 09-10-2005 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
*cough*bullshit*cough*
Funny thing is you are definitely wrong. as I have come to admit the errors of my past positions I have found them very forgiving, mush more so than I see in the conservatives who now seem to hate me just because I can change my opinion (cough, Iowanian, cough).

penchief 09-10-2005 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
A more hate filled, spite filled, and vindictice group I have not come across.
You're kidding me, right?

If it were possible, I'd suggest you take a gander at the archives of this board. You will witness every name imaginable being consistently and regularly spewed by "so called" conservatives toward those who disagreed with their specific points of view.

You will also notice that those who were targeted by those personal insults rarely fought back. Oh sure, there were times where the insults got to be a little much and the frustration showed but, all in all, the personal abuse seemed to be consistently espoused by one side.

If there were ever a vindictive or spite filled group it surely isn't coming from the left. Even you know that. I know that you know that. So no matter what you say, that doesn't change and you know it.

Logical 09-10-2005 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
God forbid anyone ever move a Gay thread.
Exactly that is not a political thread and should not be moved from the Lounge by the rules as they are now being explained.

penchief 09-10-2005 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
When was the last time we had an offseason like we had this year to fill us with speculation and hope?

It has been just a little over a year since the board first split, and last year was an election year, this year is not. It is kind of assanine to be judging track records on such a short, and unique time period.
Probably true. I'll give you that. I'll admit that I am looking toward tomorrow's game with much anticipation.

Even so, this new trend has been apparent for more nearly a month or more.

Logical 09-10-2005 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
I make a motion that we move this thread to DC.
Not by the rules, this is not a political thread therefore it should not be moved to DC, according to Brian (Endo) only political threads must be moved.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Not by the rules, this is not a political thread therefore it should not be moved to DC, according to Brian (Endo) only political threads must be moved.
Seriously, Jim. Stop being such an ass.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
Believe it or not, it does happen like that some times. I had no life for a long time, and then last December acquired one. I am back to not having one, but I am hoping that is only temporary....
Oh BS Jamie, pretty much all the conservatives abandon DC simultaneously leaving only a token few of charachter like Duck Dog, Iowanian, and ainorth that have the guts to stick around. That is not 30 some people simultaneously getting a life.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Nor do I want to be on every issue. See I am one that fits both sides and am on debates on both sides. I will honestly miss the forum when it is gone, and believe me once it is off the front page in any form it will be gone. I kind of find it strange that all this occured after the conservative block failed to get DEnise banned. I sort of feel this is all about their inability to ignore seeing her name when it appears on the front page of the lounge. Even if it is those brief glimpses when she is the most recent poster in the DC forum.

I feel the need to address this as I have been one of the most vocal members in regards to banning Denise. I do not know if you throw me into the catagory that you described or not, but let me assure you, 99.9% of the time I go out of my way to avoid her.

I decided in the last couple of weeks that when I made it back to the board that I was going to avoid the DC forum because that is where she spends most of her time. It is not because I am incapable of ignoring her (most of the time), but because it is inevitable that I will run into her. She, simply put, lessens my enjoyment of this place. And since the majority do not see her as the cancer that I do, I will simply avoid her main residence. So the turn out of the vote is why I am not returning, but my participation in that forum had become minimal anyway, because as previously stated, I can only take so much of it before it starts wearing on me.

I can not speak for the few of us who do want her gone, only myslef, and in speaking for myself I can honestly say that even if she had been banned, my involvement in that forum was not going to be anywhere what it had been when it was first formed. Politics is a passion of mine, but pure, unadalturated politics, all of teh time is too much for even me.


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