LOL, my own personal "Karl Rove...two weeks" thread.

Thanks, Cochise.

Are you going to flip out again this year? It was pretty entertaining.

You should have been around durring the LJ pick, that was some high quality entertainment.

ROFL ROFL

Old meltdowns never die, they just get bookmarked.

Depends on Carl I guess. :D

I think a piece of Logical's soul left his body that day.

for a 1&2 this year &1 next year! yes send his a$$ packing! it a team sport!

LMAO

****ing hilarious.

We need to put him back at his other position...maybe he'll get 2 sacks...

I can't believe we couldn't even pressure their backup tackles

he's fine and has some potential on the left side. on the right side for whatever reason he's not very good.

I usually would agree with this, but then I watched an NFL staff try to run the option in a regular-season game, during the first series of the ****ing game.

Money bump.

He's a 3rd, and long LE. He gets pushed around in the run game. We need a legit RE, and Turk is our LE. Hali is a bust. Unless you consider his role of third DE worth a 1st rounder.

Great plan for Jared Allen's replacement, if you don't like sacks or run-stopping, that is.

Ouch.

I struggle with calling him a "bust", but when you look at it that way...

hmmm...suspiciously non-committal...as if i knew this thread would come back to haunt...ROFL

ok, now I'm getting dumber....

imo, Hali is a bust

he is a joke against the run, on either side....and got his ass beat by a rookie nobody yesterday play after play after play....

he didn't even seem to give much of an effort, to me....

he's at best a rotational DE, on obvious passing downs...otherwise, he's worthless...

not what anyone expected for a 1st round pick

It hurts me too bro, but it is what it is.

he is hurt all the time too. He never seems to be 100%

Where's Cochise?

I wanted Kiwanuka or Lawson. I don't think those guys have done any better.

Haunt is a very strong word. He's not an LJ or Bowe, but he isn't a Sims, Freeman, or Siavii-level bust by any stretch, either.

Also, Eric ****ing Hicks was a starter when this pick was made. Holy shit. Holy shit.

The sad thing is that Eric ****ing Hicks has achieved more than Tamba Hali.

My stupid thought of the day: Can he play MLB?

But seriously. Someone else said it looks like he's giving up a lot and I agree. I don't know how hurt he is, but he'll come off the snap and get pushed backwards on passing downs. He's not a great speed guy and he's not big enough to overpower LT's. The only area that he was ever good at was pursuit when the RB would break a 20 yarder.

He should be our LE and we should just let Johnston be our RE for the rest of the year. Let McBride sub in at DE and DT.

Does anybody else remember the sweep play yesterday on which he stunted to the inside and blocked the entire left side of our defensive line out of pursuit. It was absolutely epic. As if abandoning your contain responsibility wasn't enough but you had to take yourself and two other linemen out at the same time.

Kiwanuka hasn't been bad actually, Lawson tore his ACL last year.

How things change, Donte Whitner is one of the best players from this draft now...

When you look back at this draft....some of the picks people were iffy about are the best picks...

Whitner was considered a reach he's one of the best players, people were worried about Cromartie likewise with him.

I guess the people who flipped out had a right to because well this didn't work out.

Originally Posted by Demonpenz
Sorry for misquoting you this is how he graded out on my scouting

D- against the run too small bad technique
D for speed
C for agility needs to work on firing off the ball
C work ethic needs to bulk up in the weightroom lack of bulk maybe due to offseason character issues. \

Overall projection 4th round patriots project pick

The best player taken after Hali is Davin Joseph, I'm not a fan of taking guards in the 1st round but we'd be better off.

Kiwi has been better, but Lawson is probably a bust.

Johnathan Joseph and Santonio Holmes would have been better picks too.

This defense would be a lot further along with Demeco Ryans or Thomas Howard.

Hindsight is 20/20

While true. People with zero actual scouting experience were calling hali what he was before we drafted him. Although mecca is goes negative about most things his feelings on this one correct. Maxed out motor guy that was only going to get marginally better. It's nice hali plays and all, but to be a great team you have to draft some impact players.

For teams who can't draft worth a shit.

While Kiwi has made great strides, and lucky enough to learn from 2 of the best in the business, he's been EXTREMELY streaky, and like people that bitch about JA getting his sacks in bunches, he's the same way.

I'm fine with that, but others want a steadier sustained results.

IMO, it comes down to the fact that Hali is has been moved out of his more natural position. Sometimes it is amazing how we have personnel that can look so shitty for us, we let him walk or he signs elsewhere and actually seems to do well b/c he's targeted to sign b/c they see where he could be valuable in their scheme instead of trying to be like the Chiefs- round hole, square peg. Watching them do this with numerous guys is like witnessing Slingblade take the Wonderlic

Example?

Gm's who make bad picks get fired can we please start banning the arm chair Gm's who wiff on players?

Why in the world would you drag up this shit again?

Nothing to see here - move on, move on.

you used to love me [cue country music]....LMAO

Yeah, not really...

Yeah, what a career this guy is having...http://www.nfl.com/players/davinjose...e?id=JOS174977

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Huh? You wouldn't want Demeco Ryans on this team?

He would add depth to our whirlpool and ice tub.

Awesome.

Not in lieu of Hali.

Bullshit.

The guys never missed a game until this season.

He had 54 tackles and a sack through six games this season.

Doesn't is hurt to continually talk out of your ass?

Oh, please.

Hali's been a solid player this year for the Chiefs but he took a step back in both 2007 and 2008. He played better in 2009 and has grown into the position but Ryans is a Pro Bowler that routinely registers more than 110 tackles per year and had 155 his rookie year.

Ryans and DJ in the middle would have been devastatingly awesome.

How many Texans games do you watch?

Just curious...

Because who cares about tackling numbers? The Texans have been a shit defense every year they've existed.

And until this year, the Chiefs haven't been?

DeMeco Ryans is an absolute beast of a linebacker, regardless of the play around him. He's been consistent since his rookie year as well.

And the Texans defense isn't poor due to a lack of talent. That coaching staff in general sucks ass.

so you'd rather have DeMeco over Hali?

and if so...

Is it really that much of a difference at this point?

Both of you guys are right.

Ryans is a really good player. Along with DJ inside that'd be scary.

But he has played on shit defenses. Not really his fault. It's like saying our pass rush sucks because of Tamba.

Tamba and Ryan are two different players. If we get Tamba some helps so that he's literally not being triple teamed half the time next season he might end up being the best outside 3-4 backer in the NFL.

That's pretty much revisionist history and is a tough call.

If the Chiefs had a healthy Ryans and DJ inside all of these years, I'd imagine they have been much tougher against the run. Hali had down years in 2007 & 2008, so I'd imagine the defense those years would have been improved.

If the Chiefs had Ryans and DJ in 2009, the Chiefs wouldn't have traded for Vrabel but they'd be hurting even worse than they are now at the outside linebacking position, which probably would have forced them to use a #1 or #2 on a pass rushing OLB (at least one) in 2009 & 2010.

It's all speculation but the Chiefs could have Orapko/Cushing/Matthews, Ryans, DJ and another OLB instead of Hali/DJ/Belcher/Vrabel.

The bottom line is that Ryans has been as productive or more productive as Hali since the 2006 draft so if Ryans had been the choice, the Chiefs wouldn't be in a worse position than they are now, which basically means they need an upgrade at the linebacking position.

Again, it's all speculation.

He's an excellent player, but I wouldn't trade him for Hali straight up.

If I had to choose between him and Hali, I choose Hali.

Now I see how those threads can come back and bite you in the ass!

Yeah...

That was ridiculous.

Uh...

If the Chiefs fired Herm, hired Rex, brought in Bart and drafted Sanchez we'd be the Jets!

where's the thread/posts about Hali never making the transition to OLB, ROFL....

Cool thread. :thumb:

Belcher has 62 tackles, Ryans has 54.

This. Back the **** up off of Tamba.

Hali has done okay, but we still took him way too high.

:facepalm:

You do realize that Ryans is out for the season right?

Ryans in 6 games had 54 tackles.

In those first 6 games.....Belcher had 26.

I saw that after I posted. :doh!:

Regardless, I wouldnt take him over Hali.

Ryans only played in 6 games this year before ending up on IR.

No offense, but I don't think you know anything about DeMeco Ryans, which is evident by posting stats from this season only, when you weren't even aware he was out five games ago.

How about his rookie season, when he had 155 tackles?

Obviously not. I just dont have the time to study other teams. I never said Ryans wasnt any good, I just would not take him over Hali.

Hali was a good pick. Why all the hate?

Gholston

Very old thread.

Coaching. Obviously.

See...this is why pruning old posts would suck.

Nothing to see here... move along ... move along.

Hell, Mecca said if he was hired as GM his first move would be to CUT Hali.\And dude has completely disappeared since we turned it around. If we 2-9 he'd be here telling us what a shitty coach, GM, QB, we have.