I think that's the most important point out of the ones you made. I've looked into the crystal ball, so to speak, the last two weeks, on the Mizzou defense: I thought they'd struggle against Oklahoma and thrive against Tech. Oklahoma is more of a straight-ahead team, more power-oriented, and I didn't think going into the game Missouri could handle that. I thought it was a real bad matchup. Texas Tech is a finesse team, and (IMO, of course) Mizzou has a defense built in much the same way. Speed and athleticism over power, and I thought today's game was a good matchup (although I expected 20 points, not 10, so kudos there).

Kansas is more of a power team in my eyes, closer to Oklahoma's style than Tech's, and I don't think that's good for Mizzou.

As for the Kansas defense, we'll see if they can make enough stops to win the game. You're not going to stop Missouri, you have to do the best you can to contain, force mistakes, and try to shorten the game. All things I think KU can and will do.

The downside for Kansas -- assuming they don't slip before then and render the game meaningless -- is that they haven't played on a stage like this. Missouri really hasn't either, but they did at least have the game in Norman last week, and so they have now experienced the pressure. They learned exactly how important each and every play is, and they know what it feels like to let a winnable game slip away. That, to me, is an advantage.

FWIW, to me, they're the 2 best teams in the big 12 to this point of the season. The whole big 12, not just the north. I don't think, however, either of them will win the championship, because, while I think both KU and MU have played better as teams, Oklahoma still has significatly more talent and knows what's it's like to be there.

It'll be weird, though, if we're playing a big 12 championship game where *both* squads, north and south, are fighting for a BCS bid.

They have a PUSS schedule. I'm not saying they aren't good, because obviously they are, but THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED ANYBODY. They only have two true contenders on their schedule, and haven't played either of them yet. And somehow, and I STILL WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE, they don't play either Oklahoma or Texas. Do you really think they would have faired any better in Norman than us? Please. From the south, they get Texas A&M, Oklahoma State and Baylor. We get Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma. Yeah, that's fair. :rolleyes:

If we have their schedule, we're undefeated right now. As would most any decent team.

Next week they actually, FINALLY, play a truly good team on the road. If they win that, or even show up, I'll be impressed.

But I don't see it happening. Jayfrauds get exposed next week.

Hey Keg.. just out of curiosity...

Do you think KU could beat Tech 41-10?

I prefer "jayhoax" myself. Or even "gayhoax".

Schedule would be an issue if they'd been eeking out wins against the poor sisters Mangino set them up to play. They obliterated them. That's what good teams do. Then today, when they have a legitimate road test (and Colorado is that this year IMO) they win it fairly handily. The score was closer than the game, in my mind, it was never in doubt after KU answered to go up 10-7.

Missouri is also a good team. I thought they should have won last week. I just think the matchup favors KU more than it does Mizzou.

That doesn't mean that Missouri can't or won't win. They could blow them out. And I think they could get blown out, if the ball bounces the wrong way.

That's why I think it's going to be a great game. Like I've said...two good teams.

I ain't putting money on either one...

Could they? Yes. Would they? No. I think a KU/Tech game would end up somewhere in the neighborhood of 24-17 or 27-24.

I also don't think MU would beat Tech 41-10 if they played a second time. I think today was an exceptional game. I'd say Mizzou would win more than they lost, but I doubt they'd ever hold that offense to 10 points again. I'd see another meeting going the route of 35-27.

Were I a Missouri fan, I'd enjoy the game, but wouldn't get carried away with faith in the defense. Not yet at least. Another week or two of play like that and I'll believe they're there. For now I still see Missouri as a team who'll win more often by shootout than by blowout.

Great game, though. No question there.

Anywho, I'm heading to bed. The folks are in town, and I want to be conscious tomorrow by the time they're done with church...

If Kansas can get some pressure at QB and force htose turnovers then htey have a chance..

i need more 7&7's..

What gets me excited is how Mizzou bounced back after that OU loss.

This is where we tend to go in the tank.

But this team's not done just yet.

Also... from what I'm reading here...

You think this Mizzou win was a fluke?

That's the way I read it.

Well see, that kinda pisses me off...

Maybe not though. He could just be saying that the D had a good day. Not necessarily a fluke. He's just not convinced they could do it again.


Yes, this is me attempting to play peacekeeper. :)

Not at all. I thought they'd win. What I was saying is that I think the final score was an aberration; I don't think Mizzou would beat Texas Tech 41-10 every time they played. That doesn't mean "I don't think Mizzou would beat Texas Tech", that just means I don't think it would be 41-10. Like I said, I think the more likely score would be a 35-27 Missouri win. Mizzou played an exceptional game today, particularly on defense, and the score reflects that.

A fluke would be KC winning in SD with Damon Huard at QB.

Today (err, yesterday) wasn't that. Missouri is clearly the better team, before, during and after the game, and they should win...

And now I'm off to bed.

That's eggzactly what I was saying.

Ah, no need for that.

Keg's a good football guy. I respect his opinion.

I suspect he's better at predicting the outcome of games than I am...

I just think he's wrong this time.

I wouldn't make a "real" prediction for the KU/MU game until the week of. Because history says both schools are capable of complete collapse between now and then...

They've both bucked trends this season, however, so I hope it continues. I want it to be a meaningful game in the national spotlight.

Now let me sleep!

You two are people I was really looking forward to meeting at the bash. Neither of you showed up! You both owe me a beer, damn it.

LMAO

G'night man.

Sleep well.

KU>CU
CU>OU

Therefore, KU>OU.

Pretty simple stuff. :)

KU hasn't played shit, i'd love to see what they do against an offense like Mizzou or Texas Tech, or even if they are in a game vs OU...

I think some KU people are clouded that Kansas constantly beats ranked teams or something. 1st game out of kansas and they win 19-13 against a shitty CU Buffallo team, which had their rb give away the 1st possession and possible score litterly.

Ah... their times 'a comin'.


:)

Agreed...

They need to come out with Maclin jersey's asap!

First of all, KU played a terrible 1st half, and we still pulled it out. Second of all, that "shitty CU Buffalo team" beat OU.

Seems to me like a lot of you are in denial or something, but KU is actually a good team this year.

Stanford beat USC. Clearly Stanford should be in the top 10.

Did I say that? No. USC is one terribly overrated football team, though.

I was merely showing that CU is capable of being quite a good team in their home stadium.

so I went out to the bars around here in OKC with my KU buddies after the KU game which was on TV!! hell ya! And many OU fans walked up to us (we all had Jayhawk shirts on) and felt that they needed to tell us that the win over Colorado didn't mean $hit and Colorado sucks and the cupcake schedule and what not.

WHAT THE ****??? WTF WTF WTF

I mean I remember seeing some thing that said OU fans were the least educated or whatever, but damn! I'm just thinking, these OU fans are talking shit on KU because they haven't played anybody and the win over Colorado doesn't mean anything, HEY YOU IDIOTS!! COLORADO BEAT YOU ****ING SOONERS YOU MORONS, Christ.

The South portion of the schedule gets rotated every 2 years. In 2004 & 2005, KU played Texas, OU, and Tech. In 2006 & 2007, they play Baylor, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma State. Your guys have had the same type of scheduling. Right now, you're in the Tech, Oklahoma, and A&M cycle. Next year or the year after, it will change cycle and you will play Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Texas. You just never noticed, apparently.

I love how people bring up that never played a game outside the state until yesterday. First of all, in the same state or not, Manhattan is not an easy place to win. Tell me, when was the last time Mizzou won there? I do believe that, until this year when KU broke that string, MU had the same type of string of losses in Manhattan against the Wildcats(1989?). You guys still have to play there this year.

And I love how people say CU is nothing. Remind me again who was it that CU beat in Boulder just a couple weeks or so ago? Yeah, that's right, OU. Whether you want to believe that game was a fluke or not, the fact of the matter is that they did do it. Their defense is pretty good and they play really well at home. I know they're down right now, but I think Hawkins has them on the path to building up that program to being very good again. Remember all those good Boise State teams over the years? Yeah, that was Hawkins.

I guess it is kind of hard to compare the teams at this point. Your team has to go to CU in a couple weeks and then KSU a couple of weeks after that. We will see if they can get through unscathed. KU fans may be a little excited or overzealous about their football team this year, sure. What the Hell did you expect? It's been a long time coming. But MU fans need to take a step back, as well. You guys still have some things to prove.

Lol, if only it were that simple. But let me help you.

KU>CU
CU>OU
OU>MU

Therefore, KU>OU/MU.

ROFL

Lzen:

I know the above is borne out of frustration with everyone not giving KU their due....and you have a right to have a chip on your shoulder about it. But anyone bashing KU, needs to remember how everyone gave shit to Boise State last year about playing a "cupcake" schedule, yet in the end they beat a pretty good OU team.

By the same token, I think you are wrong about MU. MU, in my book has proved itself (thus far) to be a totally different team than in the past. Yesterday showed that:

1) The loss to OU hurt this team's pride and they decided to take it out on Texas Tech, something in the past that would never have happened with a Pinkel-led team.

2) Mizzou isn't just all about the stud passing game and Chase Daniel. The fact that the Defense rose up and pretty much shut down the Red Raider's #1 rated offense speaks volumes. Plus, MU actually showed a ground game without Tony Temple, which is something i didn't believe would happen.

It's my opinion that KU's win in Boulder against a pretty decent Colorado, and MU's win over Texas Tech, should shut up detractors for both schools.

mmaddog
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MU looks fantastic in my opinion. It's going to be one hell of a game at Arrowhead. Whodda thunk it? KU and MU look to be competing for the Big 12 North.

We've proven enough at this point hangin with OU and probably should've beaten them if we didn't implode at the end of the game. As well as beating Illinois, Texas Tech, and then a Nebraska team that was considered top 25 material, kind've like KU's win over K-State in that same regard. Cupcake schedule is a part of it, KU has played 1 ranked team. It's fine, have your head held high that you are winning, but play better competition and you may get that respect, we'll see how the arrowhead battle has gone, but don't say MU hasn't proven anything yet, they've proven alot more than KU at this point. I consider KU a top 25 team but i don't believe they've earned the #13 or 15 ranking they've gotten. Maybe cause everyone else keeps losing might be why they are moving so high. Beat a good team like the tigers for example, i will believe they are for real and not make excuses. Im excited forthe arrowhead showdown.

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how did i know that this thread will be full of mizzou people.

It is called a rivalry. It prob happens more in your case though. You only talk KU football when they play well.

Exactly. And there is nothing wrong with that.

It is called a message board.

shite ...... the thread only has like 20 posts and 10 of those belong a USC fan(mecca) ROFL

Please don't try to pass off that Nebraska win as anywhere near as tough as the KState one, Nebraska is horrible.

I love how MU fans try to cite the Illinois win as a big win. Juice Williams went out with an injury, and the backup qb singlehandedly gave the game to Missouri. He had 3 or 4 lost fumbles. 2 within the 5 yard line. That would have been an ugly game had Juice played the whole time...but their memories are short enough to forget that. We all know they have short memories with KU beating them 3 of the last 4 times.

BWillie007, again that aTm prediction was beyond ridiculous. I mean, I understand predicting KU to lose there. After all, KU had never won there, but c'mon. 93-10? ROFL ROFL Nice thread and prediction, btw. I think KU may end up being better than 10-2. If nothing else, probably no worse than that. It's a good time to be a Jayhawk.

starting next week we will have two sports in the top 10

They have even surpassed my expectations, by far. And I was the one considered the crazy one. Amazing how that works.

ROFL

No kidding. I thought that prediction was a little optimistic at that time. Looks like you may have been right on.

8-0 your prediction has come easy so far, i honestly didnt think they'd have 8 wins all year. Props, even with the differences ive had during game day threads.

BWillie is a genious.

I thought this prediction was nuts at the beginning of the year. Man, now I'm thinking 10-2 is looking pretty easy and 11-1 is a strong possibility.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Props on staying the course....... I had us pegged 7-4 to 8 - 4.
That passed what I expected .... :hmmm:

Dude you are a witch....no way when you posted this earlier this year...hope you placed a bet down in Vegas.

OK, well I win. Already. KU is 8-0.

I want you to put in your profile,..and I quote.

"BWillie1007 is a god among men. He is the shit of all shits, while I am the shit on the bottom of his shoe. I bow down to his supreme greatness and knowledge.

I also like to have sex with other men and goats. I have genital herpes and it burns when I pee.

Kansas is the best team in all of the land, much better than Missouri"

Ok, that should about do it. Pm me when your finished.


Good day

Wonderful. :LOL:

ROFL Damn, that's down right mean, but I like it. :D

Aw Hell, I forgot about that. Nice job.

KU opened today against Nebraska as a 19.5 point favorite. Holy moly. KU has demolished the spread of every game they have played this year, but I still that seems a bit steep.

"Demolished the spread of every game they have played this year?" ROFL

You may have "demolished the spread" against Baylor and your Pre-Conference Cupcakes, but against real teams you won by 5, 6 and 8 points. I don't see one-score victories as demolishing jack shit.

:whackit:

Sig is changed (as you can now see).

Double or nothing on Nov. 24?

They have beaten some pretty good teams on the road. I haven't read this whole thread, but you think that's just luck or something?

Whatever it is, it ISN'T "demolishing the spread." :rolleyes:

BTW, what's up with the Hamilton avatar? I've seen somebody else using it, too.

I am down. I already have to bite the curb if Missouri wins, might as well add a sig bet to it.

PS. I have no sig privileges at this time, but I'm sure a nice enough mod would make an exception. Whatever you want in my sig, it's on big man.

I'm sorry you do not like my choice of words. Bottom line, the spread is formed with an equal amount of money on each side of the spread so the bookies don't lose money, just make commisions. KU must really be overachieving expectations and perceptions the betting population as well as the public place on them. They have beaten the spread every single game so far this season.

Texas did that two years ago.

With that said, If KU covers this weekend I would be amazed.

When we were expected to lose and win, I would say that is pretty close to blowing up the spread theory.

You are probably partially to credit. I'm almost done with that Chernow bio ( I don't have as much spare time to read as I would like) and i have learned a lot about the founder i probably knew the least about. it's excellent.

But these quotes summarize why I changed my avy:

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most of the posts link

I love this thread but dude, what were you thinking. I'll admit that I never expected 9-0 at this point but I felt confident that KU would beat Nebraska this year. :)

BTW, I love the sig Duncan. ROFL That's gotta be painful for you.

It would be more painful if I wasn't confident I'd get it back in ... what is it now, 18 days?

I miss my Christopher Reeve quote, though. Does that make me a bad person?

Hey buddy, I like you. You seem like a decent guy. I think BWillie is being a little harsh with all that stuff he made you put into that sig. However, I just think it's funny because you made your own bed. I don't remember your Reeve quote. What was it?

BTW, you guys never set a limit on how long the sig. is changed. You might wanna think about adding that in or somebody is gonna be very, very unhappy for awhile.

Definitely made my bed. Willing to sleep in it. :)

I was very, very wrong about Todd Reesing. As wrong as can be. I deserve it.

Here's the old quote, circa about 2001 - it's a haiku:

If Christopher Reeve can move his fingers and toes
There's hope for Al Gore

And you're right we should set a time limit. What's fair, Bwillie - 1 month? three months? end of CFB season?

end of college football season is fine with me

deal

It took me awhile to say this as an MU fan...but I agree I think KU will end up at 10-2. Good prediction.

It is now IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to doubt me in regards to college football. At LEAST 10-2,...at least. I'm so ****in pumped, time to go celebrate ****ers

You were dead wrong. It will be 11-1 or 12-0.

:eek:

What are the 2 losses?

Props. Next make a thread saying Kansas Football is going to the 'ship. Or I will.

I won't even doubt you again. But here's a little advice. Don't include score predictions. Just predict records. ;)

maybee we should get past missery and zeroU first

Well then it wouldn't be a prediction, now, would it?

Iowa State, and Oklahoma. They win their bowl game

You think KU will lose at home to ISU? ROFL

Yeah, I know anything is possible. A team can have a letdown game looking ahead to a big matchup. So far this season, KU has avoided that. I don't see them losing at home to ISU.

That'd be something if that actually happened....

That being said, ISU did beat K-State and Colorado, somehow.

Of course, outside of Missouri and Kansas, the rest of the Big XII north really blows.

ISU also hung with OU about 3 weeks ago to a 17-7 final. I'm not saying they are gonna be an easy task. That said, KU has been very good and very consistent. Not to mention that they have blown out every opponent at home this year.