They're sort of highlight videos.

Designed to show the high points from each QB. Nobody's going to compile videos of either QB wobbling 15 yard turds or throwing checkdowns.

Well I just got done with watching the Georgia v ASU game I recorded from last Sat and I must say I was impressed.

Couple of notes....

Staffords arm is really, really strong. There's not a throw he can't make. But we alll already knew about that.

Georgia has 1 good WR... And he's a Freshman.

But Stafford looked good. On his TD pass, I like how he went through his progressions. He first looked in the flat, wasn't there then found Green (the stud Freshman WR) on his 2nd read and made a nice pass.

I remember seeing his stats with about 3 mins left in the game.

He was 16-28 for 285 yards and 1 TD. The 285 was his career high which doesn't surprise me given Georiga's bland, conservative offensive attack.

He should of had 2 TDs but his TE slipped just as the ball was coming to him for a sure TD.

Looked good IMO.

I'll have to see if I can catch more Florida & OU (should be easy there) games as the season goes.

Stafford has this stretch of games to impress me. He has the arm and body for sure, just got to see him put it together mentally and the SEC is a breeding ground for that, at least football - won't go into the academic side of things. :D

Stafford actually had a really good game against Florida last year....

The Alabama game should be interesting this year. Bama will be out for revenge as the Bulldogs won on the road last year with an OT touchdown pass. It was actually a surprise as UGA was so young, and it was their first big road win.

I still think no matter what happens atleast half the forum will be deathly set against drafting a QB.

There is no doubt. It's going to be fun!

If the Rams are drafting ahead of us do you guys think they'll pick Stafford?

I would guess they'd go Oher.

I dunno. My gut says Oher, but hell, they did sit their franchise QB for Trent Green. I suppose it isn't out of the question.

There starting trent green that should be enough to tell you that they would pick stafford

Benching Marc Bulger was a knee-jerk reaction trying to get a spark out of a horrible team, and bad offensive unit. I doubt it works out well. Bulger ought to be back starting before long once they realize he's not the real issue.

He's definitely a servicable QB in the league. I'd guess he's been in the league 7 or 8 years, so he's got a few good years left in him.

Yeah but once the Rams realize that Stafford is a huge upgrade from Bulger what's to stop them from drafting him if they pick ahead of us? It's a little frustrating because on one hand we've got a lot of holes to fill but on the other hand we desperately need a franchise QB and there's a huge dropoff after Stafford IMO. I mean do we go after Stafford at signifigant costs?

I don't know what sort of contract Bulger's in right now, but I'm sure he's making a ton of money and the Rams have quite a bit tied up in him. He doesn't really have that bad of numbers this year either. Jackson hasn't done sh*t. Their line is trash and their WR corps is lackluster. Remind ya or anyone? Bulger isn't a bad option at QB, they'll probably realize this after TrINT reappears or gets knocked out of the game.

I'd imagine they'd sure up their line, considering they have a servicable QB situation. We have a pretty terrible QB situation. If Brodie didn't get hurt and was progressing, we probably wouldn't take a very serious look at Stafford. So I'd imagine after Brodie gets hurt again(likely), we'll be in desperate need of a QB and go after Stafford pretty vigorously if the Rams are ahead of us. Depending on how he progresses through the rest of the season of course.

The Rams coaching staff is going to be fired. It's going to depend on who's next.

This is true. The Chiefs and Rams could both have brand new management next season and the 1,2 picks. It ought to be interesting.

I don't think trading up to get Stafford is a wise decision if you are looking to go to #1 overall. We have so many holes on this team that it would cost us a couple of pretty significant draft picks to get there.

Who really knows what the Rams would do. You think that they'd probably take Oher, but you don't know for certain.

The truly ironic thing is that in many ways the Rams could control our own rebuild. Say they finish worse than us and take Stafford. That changes the entire nature of our own rebuild. At that point, we'd be far better off taking Oher, Monroe, or Andre Smith, and then trying to pluck as much skill position and interior line talent from the rest of the draft (at value) so that the QB class in '10 could properly succeed. Then, we'd probably have to go after a free agent QB to warm the seat for a year and a half before the next QB takes over, whether it is Bradford, Sanchez, or someone else.

I was having a hard time deciding between Tebow and Stafford, leaning towards Stafford because everyone said he was a traditional pocket passer.

But then I looked at the stats.

Tebow
2007: 350 attempts 234completions 66.9% accuracy 3286yds 32tds 6ints

Stafford
2007: 348 attempts 193 completions 55.7% accuracy 2523yds 19tds 10ints

Tebow wins, hands down. He has had a 67% completion rate for both 2006 and 2007 while Staffords was 52% and 56%

That's depressing. Although I think we're worse than the Rams. They're at least getting smoked by good teams....

Gimmick offense vs. Real offense with conservative tendencies. Tebow FTL.

Have you watched the 2 guys play?

Maybe. And boy would that suck.

But it's not like there wouldn't be other options later in the draft.

We could pick up Ray Maualgua or someone like that... Our MLB is pretty horrid.

Or there's trade down possibilities if the Chiefs are high on a guy like Bradford (who knows where he'll go) or Tebow.

... What makes you so sure that we'll finish above the Rams? ;)

As bad as we are right now, with a young team you never know when they might come up with some unexpected wins down the stretch. I highly doubt it but winning 0-3 games isn't a foregone conclusion.

That's the thing we don't know. I think Maualga would be a great pick if Stafford is taken ahead of us.

yes, yes I have. And I haven't seen enough of either of them to say for sure that Tebow can't pass in the NFL and the Stafford can.

I do know I like Staffords throws better but his decision making is suspect to me. Tebow can't make the passes that Stafford can, but the guy plays smart. Combine that with the type of athlete he is and I think he might be something special.

What type of offense does Tebow play in?

He plays in Urban Meyer's system.

If Chase Daniels didn't run the spread for the last 8 years of his life and he was producing the kind of numbers he is in a pro-style offense, he'd be a pretty good prospect regardless of size. But he doesn't. He runs a gimmick offense of sorts.

Tebow is a great physical specimen and athlete QB'ing in a system designed to boost his numbers.

One factor that I realized is that with the top pick now aren't the contracts and salaries negotiated before the draft? If that's the case then with the Chiefs having a lot more money under the salary cap then the Rams wouldn't we have more leverage to get Stafford and force the Rams to pay way more than expected if they did select him?

Our salary cap space doesnt mean anything when it comes to rookie contracts. Rookies have their own cap.

Oh well I'm just trying to think of all the possibilities. Even the unlikely event that Stafford pulls an Eli Manning and refuses to play for the Rams.

I really dont see how that is depressing unless we are just good enough not to get a better pick in 2010.

If any team it would be the Chiefs. You would have to be stupid not to want to play with Holt and Steven Jackson.

I say we pick the guy who has the better Wonderlic score. At least that way he will give good interviews and maybe he can figure this NFL thing out. Honestly, I think intelligence is underrated by NFL scouts who don't work for the Patriots (it's their secret).

Steven Jackson is overrated IMO. At least with us he would have some young recievers to throw to.

You are saying that Carl and the Chiefs would offer to overpay the #2 player in the draft and break the slotting system so that he wouldn't want to sign with the #1 team? Carl and the Chiefs overpay????

Because that would be better than playing with LJ, Charles, Bowe, Gonzo?

Assuming Carl is fired by that time.

I don't know why everyone is so high on Stafford. I have seen him play several times and I'm not saying he can't be good in the NFL, but he would have to improve a lot to be worthy of a first round pick where the Chiefs will be at in the draft.

I do like Bradford a lot but I don't know that he comes out this year. He makes great reads and is awesome at hitting receivers in stride. If he has a great year and is projected really high it's possible he would come out.

I have only seen limited action from Sanchez but what I have seen I have been impressed with.

I'm not sure if Tebow will be an NFL QB or not. The one thing I do like about him is that he is a winner. He exsudes confidence and does what it takes to win the game. That is not something I really see in Stafford. I understand the system QB analogy but it doesn't mean you can't be a good QB in the NFL if you run the spread in college. A good QB is a good QB.

I think this season will tell a lot about if any of these QBs are franchise caliber. It might be better for the Chiefs to go another way in the first round and try a second round QB and bring in a veteran to bring him along.

After watching all of that video, i can understand the love affair for both Qb's. Mecca is right, Stafford does make more NFL type throws, because he has to. But, Bradford LOOKS like an NFL QB. Stafford doesnt look like he likes the pocket, while Bradford looks like he's very comfortable in the pocket. I can also imagine Bradford breaking, he plants his feet well. I dont know if that's good or bad.

I think what we need to see is if Bradford could thread the needle. It doesnt look like he has had to, so we dont know if he can or not. Bradford does seem to have great accuracy though.

People talk about Tebow's skills transitioning or not to the NFL, his throwing mechanics, whether he can take snaps from center, whether he can function in an NFL offense. All of those can be debated and have been. However, the one thing that I don't think anyone can challenge is Tebow's competitiveness. I've never seen anyone more competitive, who plays with more fervor and who has a greater desire to win. His attitude and personality towards playing reminds me a lot of Brett Favre.

I think that would be a good comparison. Favre has horrible mechanics but he is a winner. Of course, he can make any throw where I'm not sure that Tebow can.

Has Bradford said anything about coming out? I don't think a guy with only 2 years starting experience (and the ability to play more) would declare.

Tebow reminds me of Steve Young. You need to get him with a team with a great QB coach or a head coach who can groom QB's.

No, but he will be eligible. He is a good student so unless he is going to be a high draft pick I don't see him coming out.

Players don't talk about declaring until their college season is over...

Tebow's bigger, stronger and more durable than Steve Young.

Steve Young was a pretty damned durable sonofabitch until he got his bell rung incessantly near the end of his career.

Tebow has among the worst throwing mechanics I've ever seen, and he's a spread option QB. That system has not produced an NFL caliber starting QB yet. If you draft him, you're going to have to groom him for 3 years at least. He's going to have to learn how to read a defense, go through a progression, and re-learn how to properly throw a football.

It's basically the equivalent of drafting someone right out of high school with shoddy mechanics.

If you thought Huard was a wobble-launcher, wait til you see Tebow's "spiral."

I would, under no circumstances, ever draft Tim Tebow with a pick in the first 4 rounds.

Well, I might take him on a flier in the fourth, just for kicks. He could be a fun long-term project with his own position coach.

I'd rather draft a guard who would actually see the playing field. Tebow is the ultimate fanboi prospect, IMO.

FYI, Mark Sanchez will be on ESPN tonight at 8.

I would. Better then what we have now.

When I see Tebow throw the ball I always wonder when they started using a shotput. He's good at it though, no doubt.

Watch him try to get that motion off with a DT barreling in his face.

Someone tried telling me Drew Brees came out of the spread offense.. any truth to that? Is there anyone thats been succesfull in the NFL to come out of the spread offense? The only guy I can think of of the top of my head is Grossman, and he sucks.

Yes he did, and some on here which I mean many thought he wouldn't be a good pro.

Is there anyone else besides Brees that turned out good?

Kliff Kingsbury RoKeD!

I think Steve Young came out of the spread.

Yes, Brees came from a spread offense, but a spread offense isn't the spread option. The spread option has more unique, gimmicky plays--runs from tight ends, end arounds, a little bit of a veer element to it.

Grossman came from the Fun N' Gun. Urban Meyer runs the Spread Option.

Alex Smith, Omar Jacobs, Josh Harris were all spread option QBs drafted in the NFL. Smith was a monumental bust and the latter two never panned out. Michael Bishop ran the spread option a little at K-State.

Joey Harrington was a spread QB, as were David Klingler, Andre Ware, Akili Smith.

Manning, Brady, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb (to a lesser extent), Cutler all came from a standard pro-style offense.

It was a lot like the spread. When Jim McMahon and Steve Young ran it and went on to NFL success they were great QBs. When Ty Detmer won the Heisman and went on to flop in the NFL he was a system QB. Sure the system inflates numbers but if you are a good QB your are a good QB.

The Quacks didn't put in the spread offense until after Joey Fivepick left (after Kellen Clemens, actually), when Dennis Dixon took over. Harrington operated under Tedford's West Coast offense.

Doesn't invalidate your point. Just sayin'

I thought they ran it after Tedford left? 2002 right? Hmmm...guess not.

They ran some weird hybrid offense for awhile, they didn't get full on into the spread till recently.

Right, cause he doesn't ever face NFL DTs or DEs while playing in the SEC or bowl games... like, y'know, Glen Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Quentin Groves, Pat Sims, Andre Fluellen, Justin Harrell, Alan Branch, Quinn Pitcock, Jamaal Anderson, Turk McBride.

That would be funny if the chiefs hired mecca to scout for them.

He would always be at USC hanging out in their locker room and being a towel boy for them when they took their showers to get a good look at their physical bodies. Maybe give them a rub down or two.

Those uniforms would be the final no way im not joining this clown organization.
I mean WTF? Who designed those god awful, worst in the NFL/college level combined uniforms?

Um just so you know the players I've sold the hardest on this site had nothing to do with USC.

I know that perception but I could careless what university the guy went to when I'm talking about them in the draft.

Just giving you sh*t. What are your work hours anyways? You do have a full time job don't you? Besides this place?

Usually 11-7, that changes at times, I'm not doing anything today however, and I sleep in odd rotations so that's why people wonder I'm sure.

Well, night, im off to sleep at last. No more waking up to pee then peruse this site.

Nike

A couple of thoughts:

Stafford will drop on the draft boards because his team is going to be an afterthought for the national ch. picture unless they win out. Say Georgia finishes with 3 losses (looks very likely).
I'd imagine that they'll drop Stafford down, perhaps to the bottom of the top ten. He'll work out at the Combine and absolutely stun the scouts with his abilities. He'll have great measureables. He'll shoot back up the board. People will start to call him a workout warrior, and others will point to the fact that he had little to work with despite being at a major college program.

Others will pimp a pure stats guy that the Chiefs should take in Rounds 2-4, saying we should pick Oher or Michael Johnson in round 1.

Hopefully the Chiefs will be bad enough, and smart enough to get a chance to draft this kid. If so, The AFC West could have some unbelievable QB play.

I thought the same thing about Stafford he looks like a clone of Cutler and he is a five tool player. I am on the bandwagon to get this kid he is tough and can scramble if need be and has an uncanny arm.

I'm not going to look through the past 20 or so pages, but have we talked much about Colt McCoy? He has quietly had a great season, and he was outstanding yesterday against Arkansas.

He has all the physical tools that guys like Stafford and Bradford have, but he just had a poor sophomore season. If he continues to play like this throughout the season, he has every bit of a chance to be a top five pick when April rolls around.

Sanchez looked like a future All Pro yesterday against Oregon. I think there's a good chance he is considered a better pro prospect than Stafford by the end of the season, and I'm a Stafford fan.

I hope both of them declare for this year's draft.

So did Redrum. I guess you are talking football though.

Aye yie yie!

OK, I'm sold. Who are the big name college QBs that are running a spread O?

I'd be happy to have either of them.