I can hardly believe that you guys are talking about this.

Tony stays. No question.

Whew. That's a relief

Can't we just trade Herm, instead?

I promise you that Gonzo would make a better head coach.

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Giants for a 3rd and Aaron Ross and Steve Smith.

And on what, exactly, are you basing this statement, you wacky goat fan?

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Can you imagine the guy in another uniform?

If you're trading for him, the benchmark starts with the Shockey deal.

The fact that an injured 28 year old player gets a 2nd rounder means that Gonzo is worth more. He's not an asshole like Shockey, he's a better blocker, and a better receiving TE.

The only other thing I would be open to is a RG, and a 5th rounder.

If we can't get that, **** it. Keep him here. Having this team learn from someone like him can't hurt.

With this FO and coach, yes I can unfortunately.

And Peyton Manning and Shaun O'Hara.

Oh, and Osi Umenyiora.

And Tom Coughlin.

And at least 10 SB rings they have laying around.

The Star says the Giants offered a SIXTH-ROUND PICK for Tony. And I'm pretty sure they were in on the particulars of the Shockey trade.

Nobody's going to give up what he's worth to the Chiefs. I'd be shocked if anything comes of this, especially with such a short deadline.

Hell its more realsitic than getting a first for him, which it seems everybody wants. I dont think he will moved personally but we need to rape a team if we trade him.

See, in my scenario, the Giants trade for Peyton, then ship him off to KC in the Gonzalez deal.

ROFL


Oops, not really. I just tend to call them both Peyton because seriously, I think they're clones.

My sense that Jim Brown plays in Cleveland for his entire career. My sense that Lou Groza plays in Cleveland for his entire career. My sense that Otto Graham plays in Cleveland for his entire career.

My sense that Jack Lambert plays in Pittsburgh for his entire career. The sense that Terry Bradshaw plays in Pittsburgh for his entire career. The sense that Mean Joe Green plays in Pittsburgh for his entire career.

Mr. Fax, locality used to mean something to us before free agency.

Link us, you Bastidge

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/836918.html

Remember the Chiefs are the team that traded for Joe Montana and signed Marcus Allen.

Thanks.

A 6th?

Isn't that what the Chiefs spent on Will Svitek?

Is this the bizzaro world or something?

A third-round pick for a HOF player who hasn't slowed down.

GMs would get fired on making a move like this alone.

Clark Hunt would have a parade about it.

Third round pick. Jesus.:shake:

If they threw in Jesus, it would still be a bad trade

If we trade TG for a 6th or a 5th or anything remotely close to that.....

LMAO

Holy random post Batman!!!

Giants offered a 6th round pick. Talk about a slap is the face. TG can retire here.

6th round pick is a damn joke...asking for a 3rd even seems low. Gonzo is no slouch, i guarantee he gets big #'s with another team.

Wasnt Tom Brady a 6th round pick? Too bad no one in the front office can see past the top 5 players in the country,or maybe we wouldnt pass on pro bowl players every year.

In the prime of their careers, Jason Taylor, a DE, is worth more than Tony, a TE.

Hence in their twilight, the same still stands.

The team described as "the most interested in making a trade" -- which is also the team that got a 2nd and 5th for Shockey -- has offered a SIXTH ROUND PICK.

Any delusions of getting a big score out of this can officially be put to bed.

Then how do you account for the fact that the Giants got a 2nd and a 5th for Shockey?

Hell, I've been saying it would only be a third, and the Giants aren't even offering that much.

But this tells you what a TE in the twilight of his career is worth.

shockey's younger

The Saints are reeruned

he wont be traded if thats the case, no big score no trade

Yeah they trade a Broken TE for a 2nd.. And then expect the chiefs to give up a better TE even though he is older for a 6th.. Not going to happen.. Keep him if that is the case..

It will come down to the closing minutes.. Hopefully a loss this week because of a TE ****up makes them offer more..

That makes them the sister-team to the Chiefs

Do not underestimate the stupidity of this Chiefs regime

One can only hope Gonzalez doesn't pull a Trent Green and go "A sixth round pick? That's about what I'm worth. Come on, what's the holdup, Carl?"

you know hearing about a jackass offer makes me kinda rethink trading TG. thats disrespectful to him, a 6th??, keep him

Warpath already has.

Or simply stated. the Saints got robbed.

Jesus could turn our offense into defense!

TG has GOT to have more self respect than that, right? but maybe yeah just to get the hell out of here......


**** YOU CARL AND HERM!!!!!!!!

Yeah, but other teams are that "dumb".

It's not just the Saints.

saints should have gone after TG

Saying Shockey has seven to eight years left (putting him at 34 or 35) and then saying Gonzalez, at 32, MIGHT have two years left is just ... hilariously stupid. Incredibly dumb.

That's the type of thing a blind Saints fan would say. I can't believe I just read that.

FTR, even I wouldn't give up Tony for a 6th.

I also think the Chiefs starting at a third was pretty stupid.

shockey has been hurt EVERY year of his career. IF he played 7 more years that may just equal TG's next 3

They offered a 6th? Dear Giants, **** off.

It's not stupid because Tony has put his status beyond 2009 into question. He said he'd play next year, but didn't speak beyond that point. I don't have it in front of me, but I think retiring after 2009 would also mean that he'd be free of having to pay back any of his bonus money. Meaning it's probably no coincidence that Tony picked that point.

In that respect, Tony may have shot himself in the foot if he wants to get moved, because no team is going to give up much for a guy who they might only be renting for a season and a half.

You just can't handle a complement, that's all.

6th? No. No how, no way.

It would be difficult not to wish a nasty case of crabs upon the individual offering that type of low-ball deal.

I understand your point.

How many years ago was that?

The Giants apparently aren't interested in Gonzalez now.

How come? That is exactly where I would have figured the bidding would begin. They cant start off by asking for a first rounder because they would get laughed off the phone. If they start at a second, thats not bad, but only teams with a real high interest would be considering it.

A third doesnt seem like as much, so once word gets out, maybe more teams around the league start thinking about it. And then more bidders pop up. And then a team pays something that they previously werent willing to. Thats how you end up getting a better offer.

But what the Chiefs are asking is pretty irrelevant when their best offer is a 6th rounder. They could have asked for a 3rd just to bridge the gap and try to get NY to go higher. Given the reality of what teams are offering, a third rounder would actually be a steal.

Damn the luck.

If the dude only had one arm, I still wouldn't trade him for a 6th.

Just curious, who did the Jets draft with the 4th we gave them for Herm?

RB Leon Washington.

I had a hard enough time seeing Trent Green in another uni!

ANY RG?!

I know, Mr. ClevelandBronco, I know.

I've mentioned this on ChiefsPlanet before ... I still feel a sense of discomfort when I see one of our guys in a different uniform - especially one of yours. There's something just not right about it. Sports is a tribal exercise and I think the NFL should find ways to encourage warriors and their tribes to remain together if possible.

Alas, and as I've been reminded many times, the days of team loyalty at all cost are long past. I hope you're right about this situation, though. I would hate to see Gonzo leave the Chiefs. He's all we have.

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I don't live in KC but that scenario should bring about riots in the streets there.

You are right. Of course with the 6th rounder we will get for our future HOFer we will definitely draft the next Brady. What were we thinking?

If the Chiefs pull the trigger for a 5th or a 6th, I think it's safe to assume they're doing it for Gonzo ... not for the franchise. Or, of course, it could mean that Gonzo and Herm aren't getting along as well as we've been led to believe.

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Taylor is way more done than Tony.

Jesus christ no.

A good RG. I love how everything has to be spelled out on this board. They have to be a starting RG with talent.

No need. Our offense already stops us from scoring.

OMG!!! I just read the Star article. DOES ANYONE IN OUR FO REALIZE THAT A 3RD FROM THE GIANTS IS DAMN NEAR A 4TH?!!! :cuss: :cuss: How stupid can they get? No wonder the Giants are offering a 6th. They know they are dealing with a bunch of reeruns. :shake:

Yep. It's nothing, really.

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The relative value to our offense that TG has to us, we're not going to get from anybody else. No matter who the **** it is from. Unless it is something rediculous like a first and third or something.

Tony wants to go to a contender. Any pick from any team he goes to will be damn near the bottom of the round.

I remember hearing all these Chiefs fans complaining about needing WRs. Now I still hear people complaining about the Chiefs that we only have Bowe and still need more decent WRs. People are also complaining about our lack of offensive output.

On the other hand, we have a TE that, at the end of the year will put up better numbers than most of the WRs in the league. At the end of his career he will have better stats than most WRs too.


Given all of those observations, it amazes me that there are fans willing to trade our best offensive player (and one of our best players for over a decade) for a second day pick.

Even a first round pick, given the career production we've gotten from our first round picks over the last decade, there's a good chance that Tony staying 1 more year still gives us more value than a first round pick would.

If I'm the GM, I tell Tony to get ready for next week 'cause he'll be wearing red and gold.

I'm glad someone ****ing gets it.

I'm all for trading Tony, BTW. Whatever helps this team gets worse in the short term means Carl and Herm are gone sooner. Hopefully.

Because no matter what they do this year, its not going to be fixed. you may as well just go back to the drawing board imo.

We still have no idea who our QB will be next year. If we draft one we have to hope its not Blackledge all over again. If it is? shit, this team is going to be stuck in the pits for a long time.

Uhhhh...

what? I consider Jason Taylor to be a stone cold hall of fame lock.

Plus...a DE is a little more important than a TE.

and david diehl and Kiwanuka and boss and a 7th and david carr and ahmad bradshaw and sammy knight

No, it's not going to be fixed this year. But, it is kinda nice to have one real threat on O that can move the chains and give the kids on the team 3 more plays to practice with.

Get rid of Croyle's (or whatever QB we get to start) one sure reciever sure doesn't help him prove himself either. Even next year, if we are running a brand new QB, it sure helps if we have someone like Gonzo for him to look to.

yeah because the chiefs are the only team in the NFL to never land a Tom Brady in round 6...

Me having sex with Jessica Alba is about as likely as a team finding a Tom Brady in the 6th round of an NFL draft...

I highly doubt an NFL team is willing to part with their starting, very talented RG in the middle of the season when they are competing for a postseason bid.

If Tony goes, it's going to be for picks and only picks...we might pluck Sinorce Moss from the Giants...whooopdeedooo!