I'm not down with the Jenkins possibility. Money aside, if the team switches to the 3-4, I think Raji would be a better selection.

Considering value and need, I think he's a better pick.

Jenkins is a very nice player, but it's not like we're talking about a Sanders level corner here, either.

The problem is you won't know that until 2-3 years down the road so he can't be a moron at least this year.

If we're switching to the 3-4, what are we going to do with Dorsey? Do we move him to a DE position, cause he can't play NT, can he?

I'm confused... :-(

I agree with this. If we are switching to a 3-4, I wouldn't mind Raji at all.

If one of the two QB's is available and the Chiefs pass, I will be extremely disappointed. Pioli will become very suspect in my eyes.

New England had TWO franchise QB's in his tenure: Bledsoe and Brady.

Haley worked with Tony Romo and Kurt Warner.

I can't imagine a world where they pass on either Stafford or Sanchez.

I know people will say that it's too much money to have tied up in DT's. But if we switch to the 3-4, we don't have a DT.

Truthfully. Dorsey better adjust, or it's a very wasted pick from last year.

A part of me doesn't like the idea of drafting a player who was ineligible to play games because he was to stupid to pass classes and that's BJ Raji.

There is no such thing as a good QB prospect in the minds of Chiefs fans. It's all about next year rather than 3 years down the road, when we can actually compete and win.

Whatever gets the party up and running at Arrowhead again is all that really matters. Win a bunch of home games, hang out, get drunk, get your ass stomped in on the road, and lose in the first round of the playoffs, if you get there, because your QB can't make a drive when you need him to.

And we are off on another tangent........Good point, though.

He's too small at the point of attack.

On paper, he's not a great fit as an end, either.

I've made that point a bunch of times and I think it holds true, lots of people want the social event not the championship so they want the players that will get the social event back the fastest.

In other words, we pissed away a top 5 pick if we switch to the 3-4.

Tell that to all the ****tards who were rejoicing when JaFatcus Russell and Tom "fake FG" Cable handed us that second "win" in Oakland.

:shake:

That's a great point. But this is a position that isn't as demanding as the O-line or QB.

Hey, you big sumbitch. Take up these other two big sumbitches and move upfield.

Didn't we get called bad fans for saying it sucked that we won that game?

Maybe.

Just curious why? If these 2 people are experts on QB's and decide to pass doesn't that raise red flags more on the QB's than Pioli\Haley?

I never thought that Oakland's dumbassery would F&^* us in the end. As if my hate for Oakland couldn't grow any stronger......

Beer is the real franchise QB of the Chiefs

What if we think the QB's are good and they're wrong?

No. ChiefsPlanet scouts are much more qualified than guys who have worked with Brady, Bledsoe, Romo and Warner.

Like I said BJ Raji is dumb and if there's one thing that would make me not draft a player not being intelligent is one of those things.

To be honest I am more concerned about the D giving up a late TD drive to lose the game than I am the offense.

That doesn't mean I don't want a QB so don't start bashing me.

It sure eases the pain inflicted by the Chiefs on Sunday afternoon.

Hold on....

Then maybe you need to question who the real moron is in that scenario.

Yea Scott Pioli the draft czar really kicked ass when he took Maroney and Chad Jackson with his 1st 2 picks that one year oh shit wait a minute..

The Pats draft history isn't quite that glowing.

Because the Super Bowl is not won or challenged with guys like Tyler Thigpen or Rhett Bomar.

It's won by guys who have awesome talent and intangibles.

By all accounts, these guys have both. And I really don't care if either guy sits on the bench and learns for a year because the Chiefs will be lucky to win 5 games in 2009, regardless of who's at QB.

Waaaay too many holes. Might as well start calling them the KC Swiss Cheese.

You need to go check the Patriots draft history, it is not so good we can't question him...

23 Pages to finally find GOLD @ the end of the rainbow.

EVERYONE fucks up on draft day. That's why they give us seven chances!

I think it's funny that you are already starting to pretend to be a smarter football guy than Scott Pioli.

Brady in the 6th111 Brady in the 6th111

Beer and BBQ that's all they need **** the players.

At this point I would trust their judgment over anyone here since they actually have experience picking and working with great QB's.

That doesn't mean they can't be wrong though and I am sure they will miss on some picks everyone does.

Tits and camaros.

Pioli's legacy is tied to one thing: the fact that they pulled Tom Brady out of their ass.


F*&^ing Period.

No the point is their draft history isn't so god damn good that you can know for a fact that he's right.

So stop twisting what I say.

I mean really Piolis legacy in many ways is based on the fact that he got lucky.

ziiiiiippppp....... ROFL

Beer never fails or lets us down :)

This. Who cares if they play next year or not when our ceiling is Perfect Mediocrity (8-8)?

No, the point is that Stafford and Sanchez appear to be on the same talent level as these guys when they started in the NFL.

The results may be different, but this is the only way to base our judgment.

Well shit I don't drink so no wonder I don't understand this.

Was there an Echo?

Just f*&^ing with you Mecca.

On a side note, did Pioli hire the head coach and QB coach? That had a lot to do with Brady's success.

Does anyone know?

I find it "funny" that you'd even bring up this comparison.

LOL, the Pats in many ways were the exception they had the billion to 1 shot QB, just thinking that he'll try and build a team again that same way is asking for failure.

This is a classic thread to read through.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...=195742&page=5

WHat two things was I comparing?

I agree with most of your point but that still didn't answer my question. If they pass on the QB's doesn't that say more about the QB's than it does about Pioli\Haley?

I would think so.

Again

This is what I don't get. I agree that obviously Pioli and Haley understand the importance of a franchise QB, so if they pass on one of these guys, there must be a question mark there...

I guess that includes Belichick as well then right?

The true fan base really comes out in those situations.

That's what I'm getting at. Did Pioli hire the staff that developed their key players or was the staff in place when Pioli got to NE?

Big question.

Have you ever been to a game at Arrowhead?

Do you really think it would be a good idea to just assume he could pull another QB out of his ass?

That's when you get to the point of arrogance, I'm so good I can draft some guy no ones ever heard of and make him great!

Going to Arrowhead is alot like going to a pro wrestling event.

That would be a logical assumption doomy or the other option is Pioli\Haley are morons.

Matt Stafford is as good of a QB prospect as you are going to find. He's smart, experienced, has a great build, he's mobile, and he has a rocket arm.

If a team that needs a franchise QB passes on him it either says that they don't trust their own coaches, or they have no idea what to look for in a QB.

IIRC Pioli and Belichick came into NE together but Bill obviously picked his own staff

Definitely not and I am not counting on that. I am sure he realizes that as well.

In place. He didn't have any juice to do any of that stuff. Everything that was built in NE was mainly done by Belichick. Pioli was just his consigliere.

You don't need to sell me I love Stafford but if they passed on him, which I highly doubt they would, there must have been something they didn't like.

They only drafted Tom Brady because the QB coach basically threatened to sodomize them if they didn't.

link?

Is it chaos theory that says even if you put the exact same things in the exact same places again, that they won't turn out the same way?

Anyway, that's what I think. The greatness known as 2000s Patriots cannot be recreated just by putting the same pieces together.

Not to be an ass, but isn't Cassel the textbook definition of this? The guy was a career COLLEGE backup, let alone an NFL professional clipboard holder.

It's in a book....

But anyway what's with the link police lately...

Matt Cassell is the kind of draft pick you make when you already have your franchise QB, not when you don't have one.

Would just like to see where it says that. I have never heard anything like that before? Who was that QB coach?

The story goes that he pined to draft Brady for a few rounds at 1 point even getting up and leaving the room because it pissed him off that they didn't do it...finally they took Brady in the 6th and they had him rated equally with Tim Rattay.

I was more referring to the fact that, yes, he did pull another QB that no one had heard of out of his ass when he needed one. In my book, Belichick's position as a football genius is unassailable.

It would be a terrible draft choice for a rebuilding team, though, especially when you consider that he needed four years and a few weeks of live action to marinate.

Dick Rehbein.

Its your lapdogs.

I seem to get alot this time of year.

Is he still coaching somewhere? That's quite a find! You would think he would have a nice career after that just based on that alone!

He's dead.

**** off.

I just wanted to read about it. Never heard that before and am interested. That OK?

:)

Oh, guess that would explain!