If the Seahawks don't take Freeman then I don't see him falling past the Jags. Garrard is over 30 and Freeman could sit behind him for 2 years and take everything in.

Then trade down, don't pick him there if you don't. (I know you didn't make the selection)

We can't trade down in this mock. It got voted down.

Everything I've read seems to indicate they like O'Donnell also.

Direcshun and I got into a debate on the merits of O'Connell vs. the Johnson kid out of USD last year.

I really liked O'Connell, and I said earlier in this offfseason, if we were trading for A QB from New England, I'd rather have taken a later round flyer on O'Donnell than trade for Cassel.

Give us some insight into your plans Scott and we may act accordingly.

I'm not sure how we're handling trades after the draft is started but here you go.

www.rotoworld.com

Patriots acquired WR Greg Lewis from the Eagles and an undisclosed 2010 draft pick in exchange for a fifth-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.

Lewis, 29, only has 56 catches over the last three years, but has always been a Patriot killer and carries a cheap contract through 2011. Mostly a special teamer in Philly, he'll be a candidate for a bigger role now. He could replace Jabar Gaffney as a third receiver behind Randy Moss and Wes Welker. Lewis' kickoff coverage value probably assures him of a roster spot.

Once we start, it's locked down, with the exception of compensatory picks.

That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure.....and also try and steal one of your picks away. LMAO

I thought you'd never ask. Right now we would like to trade down to as far as the 11 slot. The difficulty here being that we don't see many teams offering book value for our pick. The flip side of that is that we don't see a significant drop in potential player productivity between the players available at the 3rd pick than we do with the ones available at 11. Because of that we are willing to make the trade for something slightly less than book value. We feel like this team has so many needs (NT, OLB, DE, RT, C, WR) that we can get a great player in picks 4-11 just as we can at 3. Also the difference in salary that pick 11 will command vs. pick 3 will also be a determining factor in our ability to take slightly less than book value for the pick.

In summation we would be happ with a number of players, for instance if we trade with the Jags we could go WR, DE, NT, OLine and get a great player, potentially even the one we really want at the 3rd spot.

Then explain to me why anyone would want to trade up with us. Why trade up if the contract is going to be huge and you can stay put and get the same quality of player?

OTW hate to tell you but this is a free country and I can comment if I want to .



So far Hamas doesn't know what he is doing


why would the chiefs select sanchez when there are so many holes on this team especially when we just traded for Cassel. It's his arrogant statement about the pick shows how ignorant he is with what is going on this mock draft.


then for tampa bay wells is he not paying attention that they just signed ward to be the feature back. That is where I disagree.

He is making this mock laughable and OTW I'm entitled to my own opinion.

With two picks in the second round it gives the Browns a certain amount of flexibility. This guy can do it all including sell popcorn. With the 36th pick overall the Cleveland Browns select Connor Barwin, DE/OLB/TE, Cincinnati

I'm beginning to see a disturbing trend developing that drafting right behind OTW is NOT going to be beneficial to my draft board.:doh!:

Where did he say anything to you about not being able to comment in this mock?

And since we're on the subject of being entitled to our own opinions....I can say one thing.

At least with you not in it......I don't have to hear that every player is a "steal".

guess we are a little jellous about last year and my picks it's cool bring the hatred without me and limiting it to the chosen 16 you aren't getting a real mock draft and you get someone really uninformed making picks (Hamas)


but what do I know I must not be knowledgeable enough to be in this mock

What the ****?

Where have I said a goddamn word to you in this thread?

I've been nothing but respectful to you, gave you an explanation you didn't deserve about not being included, and you're on MY ass?

You're entitled to your opinion, but leave me the **** out of it, unless I actually respond to you.

The guys that are involved in this mock have the right to their opinions as well. This isn't a one-way street.

And FWIW, if you'd ****ing pay attention, you'd see that Hamas picked Wells a FULL DAY before Ward was signed in Tampa. You expect him to be ****ing psychic? You have a lot of balls calling people out when you picked Brian ****ing Brohm at 15 last year.

Personally, I'm sick of your whining, and I've been nice long enough.

I'm jealous? You're the ONLY person that got left out....who made a big deal about not being in it. Then you proceeded to shit on OTW58 for leaving people out. Would I have drafted different than Hamas if I was drafting for the Chiefs? Yes. Am I going to constantly bring it up everytime he drafts? No. Why? Because he's the GM at this point in time and he can draft whomever he feels like. Coming in here and bitching about it like a 6 year old is stupid. If you don't like how he's drafting.....fine....but get over it and move on.

Yep....Brian Brohm in the 1st round was such a great pick. Chris Johnson was a good pick....it's just too bad that you drafted him to return kicks and punts.....

Not to call you out or anything......but he drafted him after Ward was signed. LMAO

FWIW, my reasoning behind the Wells selection:

Rock and a hard place. I'm not a big fan of taking running backs with really high selections. The Bucs just signed Derrick Ward, so they don't have a gaping hole at running back any more. A tandem of Ward and Graham could be serviceable, as you can't count on a broken down Cadillac for anything.

The Bucs have glaring needs at QB, DT, OLB, and WR

Obviously Tampa needs a quarterback. They tried to make a deal for Cutler, but that fell through. Josh Freeman is a great specimen in shorts and a T-shirt, but I've seen him play in the Big XII, and I'm not exactly thrilled.

Larry English is a possibility at end, but he reminds me too much of Tamba Hali.

Percy Harvin would be a good compliment to Antonio Bryant, but he comes from a spread offense, is on the small side, and has durability concerns.

Louis Delmas doesn't really fit the mold of a Cover 2 safety.

Peria Jerry is going to be a 25 year old rookie, he has major injury and intelligence issues, and he has the Sims/Peppers question given the presence of Greg Hardy on his college line.

Vontae Davis is another intriguing possibility, but he was less than impressive at the Combine, which is shocking given that was supposed to be the area where he would excel, given his lack of solid intangibles. There are a lot of Cover 2 corners that could be had later in the draft

In the end, I'm going to take the guy who I think is Larry Johnson without character problems.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, The Ohio State University

The whole tenor of this mock is being diminished by the constant douchbaggery.

You can draft whomever you want man......I'm not giving you shit.

I looked at the article date, not the actual signing date. Whoops.

He actually signed Monday night, and Hamas made his pick on Tuesday morning.

Hell, I missed it, I could easily see where someone would miss that. I know I'm not scouring the FA market before I make a pick.

EDIT: And in looking at Hamas' post, he didn't miss it.

brian brohm for one hasn't played yet so how do you know he's not good enough.


you are also forgetting I drafted jerod Mayo as well. When I picked both you guys on here said they were bad picks. but I don't know as much as all of you that's fair.


OTW you said that the people that aren't on this mock are belly aching blah blah. which I took to mean we can't have an opinion. If that's not what you said I'm sorry. I told you last year you did an awesome job setting this up. I don't understand why after almost 5 yrs doing this I'm excluded and kept being told to reference post 82 . Sorry but that was a little disrespectful. I will comment on the picks if I don't agree the mad love on this board for sanchez I feel is unjustified. Mecca of all people should realize this but for some reason he isn't cluing into these facts.


If sanchez is so great why couldn't he beat out john david booty?

Why was he inconsistent ?

Why do all of you think he's ready for the NFL?

Cassel is better guys you will see.

OTW i"M SORRY if I offended you I didn't mean to. So far Hamas explanation I"m in control so I shot previous brass in head and picked who I wanted to is a bad one. It would have been cool to see how far he slipped or if someone would take a chance on him early . Unfortunately we won't know.

It wasn't directed to you. I personally think that there was a pretty good reason for the Beanie pick. To me, he's the #1 pick in the draft, Tampa has assloads of cap space, and they are only paying Ward 4 million/year.

There was no value at tackle, end, or interior line there, and I'm not taking a CB in the first round when they are a Tampa 2 team through and through.

Again, if someone took me to 2003 and said "would you take Larry Johnson at #19 knowing the production he's had and removing the domestic problems?" I'd say hell yes.

If had read the thread, you'd know the answer to this question.

Ok hamas I agree with wells then if you want an alla earth wind and fire like giants.


but sanchez for the chiefs pick? Draft who you want to that's your right but you now have 3 cappable qbs and same old d why?

Yep.

I've told the Coalition of the Butthurt that they were more than welcome to use all the information I spent my time getting to make their own mocks, but no one seems to be up to the challenge - they'd rather take their potshots here.

It's cool man. I only pay attention to the major signings when I'm drafting for my team (****ing Broncos).

I'm not going to give you shit because this is a lot of work and I'm not willing to put in the time or the effort.

3 capable QBs? So far I see Cassell and Sanchez. That's two. I hope you don't mean Thigpen.

Because BJ Raji is a scary ass proposition at 3, and if you read my explanation, you'd see that I'm not sold on Matt Cassel. I'm not betting the future of the Chiefs on Cassel if I'm in charge, sorry.

If you don't have a franchise QB, you take one. I don't see Cassel as a franchise QB, so I'm taking Sanchez because he is one. If Cassel flops, we're a hell of a lot more ****ed for the future than people realize, because next year's QB class is flat awful.

I'm sorry if forward thinking is offensive to people in the mock, but I realize that this Chiefs team isn't going anywhere next year, and if you want to get a franchise QB, now is the time. We can build our D with high picks next year when there is phenomenal talent at the top.

I didn't make the pick to win a popularity contest. If I did, I would have taken Curry.

Really?

Here's the thread. You picked Mayo in Post #376.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...07+mock&page=3

The ONLY person that commented on the pick was Direckshun, and he said it was a good pick.

If you really want to piss me off, keep claiming that I said things I didn't actually say.

Actually, I'd prefer you call me out when I **** up. I don't want, nor expect any special treatment just because I set up and run this thing.

but hamas not to be a jerk but how do you know cassel isn't and sanchez is a franchise qb? alot of people thought Leaf was a franchise qb too. I see major limitations to his game I think he's gonna have problems adjusting to the speed of the nfl. Cassel has done it plus the guy in charge drafted him and watched him develop you have to trust in pioli at this time.

I just don't agree with the majority on here that Sanchez is a franchise qb

Damnt....I was just about to post this. LMAO

Plus....as you've mentioned. Cassell still hasn't inked a long term contract as of yet. So without Sanchez in the mix.....we're going into next year with a QB on a one year $14 million dollar deal. Drafting Sanchez allows us to do a number of things with Cassell.

ok OTW I just remember people laughing about the chris JOhnson pick I do my homework guys I know alot about guys in the draft every year.

That's your opinion.

I'm also entitled to have one.

I'm also not required to put blind faith in Pioli when, quite frankly, his draft record sucks over the last 4 years, and their FA signings lately have been mighty underwhelming.

They hit on Moss and Welker. Yay.

pestillencia


by the way for a history lesson I drafted chris Johnson for kr pr and hopefully to challenge as a running back to dangelo williams.

Well, not only that, but we own Cassel's rights for two years due to the expiration of the CBA. Therefore, we can put a 1st round tender on him, and if anyone signs him and we elect not to match, we get higher compensation than what we paid for him.

Plus, we gave Sanchez a year of time to learn.

If the downside of that is missing out on BJ Raji at 3 or Sintim/Connor Barwin at 34...well, that's worth it to me.

Here you go.

ok but hamas you sound like the fan that won't ever be happy. This is reguarded as one of the brilliant minds in the NFL. We aren't talking about Carl Petterson here. I question the haley hiring a little and the non activity in free agency is bugging me but I think we are gonna be alot better than some people are giving us credit for. IF its blind faith then label me a pioli follower I 'm willing to give him a chance why will none of the rest of u do this I'm just currious.

pestilenceaf23 not pestillencia.

And it's not like you drafted him for the Titans. Chris Johnson is the perfect compliment to the Lendale White. You have no clue if he would work out splitting time with DeAngelo Williams. They are the exact same type of RB.

I'm not sure why he's pimping that CJ pick.

He didn't fit with the Panthers at all.

Just because the kid excelled with the Titans doesn't make him a good pick for a team that needed a bruiser at RB.

Here is your homework.

i was drafting for the panthers dude it was who my team was I hadn't really seen enough in dangelo to not take a chance on johnson I saw you tube and read reviews on him. The more I watched the more I saw LT in him. I said this is a major steal I need to do it so I did. For an undersized back he didn't do that bad did he?

He didn't do that bad on a different team then what you drafted him for.

That "brilliant mind" has selected the following players as well:

Lawrence Maroney, Kareem Brown, Clint Oldenberg, Chad Jackson, etc.

He makes mistakes. There's nothing wrong with questioning his decisions. Hell, ask Amnorix how many times he was left scratching his head after a Pioli decision.

Just because he's better than Carl ****ing Peterson doesn't make him perfect, or impervious to criticism.

I'm not giving the guy blind faith because he's never done it as the guy.

He's not Bill Polian.

He deserves a bit of skepticism.

So far, every major move he's made I've disagreed with.

I hate the move to a 3-4
I didn't like the Haley hire
I despise putting all of our eggs in the Cassel basket.

I was happy when we hired him, but I'm not going to let that overshadow what I feel are poor decisions.

wow that's awesome that you can call back on old stuff I said. I wasn't the only one wrong about Ryan alot of people misscalculated.


but what about the part you didn't highlight?

the we are gonna start alot of young guys and I don't feel comfortable with herm or carl's plan. Hmmm I was way off there huh.

everyone makes mistakes and missreads it's called being human but I wasn't far off on the prediction of this team last year.

The shoe is on the other foot now, and someone doesn't care for it...

The other part I didn't highlight? Like this?

"some of these mocks have us reaching for OTah or Claddy personally I hate both these picks. Otah is too high in his stance it scares the crap out of me that he could be bull rushed. Cladly has no heart that is a scary proposition too. He half speeds it."

I can't back track what all of you have said so it's not really fair but oh well I'll admit I'm not perfect. However I am dead on some statements that I 'm not getting credit for. But if you only want to pull up old statements that make me look bad keep doing it. YOu are showing how petty you are. I just want to talk football like I have since 2001.

When I get attacked it's just juvinile I think you all are gonna look real bad when sanchez isn't as great as all of you think he will be.

Pest just asked the magic question. But it was still a great post. Welcome to the board, you definitely sound like you have some football acumen. I think you'll be a welcome addition.

I am loving this thread.

There is a very definitive difference in maturity between those in this mock and those not in it.

If that doesn't verify OTW's methodology, nothing does.

It's juvenile? Juvenile like coming in and repeatedly calling out someone's picks? Because it seems to me like you've only called out Hamas so far.

I'm only bringing up your old posts for two reasons.

1. You whined about not being chosen for this mock.
2. You claim that people talked shit about your picks when we didn't.

No this part



I' m starting to lose faith in our front office we may have on our hand the worst team in the NFL.

If we don't draft good here gentleman and ladies this could set us back two or three years. I"m not trrying to freak people out but I don't like what i'm hearing from herm and company.

we are gonna build our team through the draft. Are we starting a bunch of rookies then???

That thought had crossed my mind.

What the hell was wrong with that? The franchise was headed in the right direction for once. Herm couldnt coach and CP just needed to be gone. The roster was in great shape to rebuild the right way. We had 3 of the 5 cornerstone players needed (Albert, Bowe, Dorsey) perfect opportunity to draft our franchise QB and next year get the stud DE. Now we are back at square one IMO more than we were at the end of the year.

So, when you get attacked, it's juvenile.

When you attack Hamas, it's justified.

Interesting.

Direckshun i'm just defending my self here


I've said numerous times I think it's great that otw does this I just don't agree to eliminate people who have done it for years


I just want to talk football you want my opinion on the rest of the picks there are some other bad head scratching picks on here.

Let's hear them then.

pest

your knowshon moreno pick is a great pick him and westbrook make a great tandem.

but pettigrew? Slow very slow and his hands are now being questioned so could be a risky pick

To be fair, fellas, there were some very well deserving people that were shut out due to the decision to go to 16 owners.

However...

LMAO The hurt butt is strong in this one.

And who would you have taken there instead of Pettigrew?

Pettigrew might not be your prototypical receiving TE.....but he runs great routes and is an asset in the running game. Look at the Eagles TEs....they don't stretch the field but they're great at getting that catch for a 1st down.

OTW I never attacked I commented on the pick and when he said his explanation I said I didn't agree but he was entitled to his opinion then I was attacked by pest and I defended myself.

I even apollogized to you which you seem to miss.


I will comment on the picks whether you believe it or not I know alot about this draft

Am I in the gang of 14? I should be..........

Tight End | Senior | Oklahoma St. Brandon Pettigrew
Height: 6-53/8 | Weight: 263 | 40-Time: 4.85

Strengths:
Outstanding size with a large frame...Very long arms...Smooth and a good natural athlete...Has big soft hands and can make the difficult catch...Great strength...Excellent blocker in-line and in space...Stout at the point of attack and can anchor...Gets a good push in the run game...Really knows how to use his body...Powerful runner who can do some damage after the catch...Tough with a killer instinct and plays with a nasty demeanor...Has lots of experience... Still has some upside.

Weaknesses:
Average timed speed...Is not real quick or explosive...Motor runs hot and cold at times...Has room to improve as a route runner...Needs to work on his ball security...Not very elusive...Questionable football IQ ... Minor durability concerns ... Ran into some trouble off the field.

Notes:
A four-year starter for the Cowboys...Was arrested in January of 2008 and charged with felony assault and battery on a police officer but eventually pled guilty to guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery...Was hampered by an ankle injury as a senior and missed a few games...Earns high marks as both a pass catcher and blocker...Was not a featured weapon in the Cowboys passing attack and has more potential as a receiver than he was given an opportunity to showcase in college...Can be an extension of the offensive line and almost serve as an extra offensive tackle...May not be a dynamic downfield threat in the passing game like Kellen Winslow or Vernon Davis but is a much better blocker...Not real flashy and won't run a 4.4 but is one of the best all-around tight end prospects to come along in quite some time.

Very true, not intended as a blanket statement.

Dude.....I never attacked you.......I did the same thing you were doing to Hamas. You stated your opinion...and I stated mine.

Like I said before, things have gotten interesting now that the shoe is on the other foot.

pest

actually you could get just as good of a TE in the second with maybe more potential than pettigrew. I can name some names if you want. If I were you at that pick there are two players I see stilll there which would be great picks one is a reciever and a safety. HOwever in respect to the other gms I"m not gonna mention them because it could ruin their pick.

I appreciate that. I'm confident there are no less than 12 participants who would draft anyone you mentioned just based on your superior draft knowledge alone. Thank you for respecting our mock.

Aw, **** it. Go ahead and mention them. Hamas ****ed up the whole mock already. /You and Hootie.

LMAO

ok hold on there pest I only deffended myself when you said some comment to the point we don't have to hear you comment that every pick is a steal. That was rude so I deffended myself.

I said the same thing in last years mock. Sue me.

See this is why this board has fallen apart if people don't agree with the ones running the board or with enough posts their opinion doesn't count. It's sad that this board has become this.

ok what about kenny britt
what about robienski (sp?) from ohio state
or rashard johnson safety from alabama to replace dawkins

For **** sake.

Your opinion counts, Christ, at this point you probably have more posts than any of the ****ing participants. It's noted, in black and ****ing white.

Don't act like it's OK for you to come in here and stir shit up, then get all butthurt when the tables are turned on you.

I don't consider any of those guys to be worth a 1st round pick.