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LOCOChief 03-09-2009 03:27 PM

This is the beginning of the end for fatass in kc, I've been waiting a long long time for this. My family will celebrate with even more vigar than we did when cp was shitcannned.

Hammock Parties 03-09-2009 04:06 PM

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/s...pioli_bill.jpg

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5568542)
Are you talking about CJ Jones and Darrel Robertson? Because neither of those guys have any impact on the Pats' salary cap.


Irregardless, they free up roster space for new talent.

Hammock Parties 03-09-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568591)
Irregardless

WHAT THE ****, HOLMES?

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5568613)
WHAT THE ****, HOLMES?

Ruh?

SenselessChiefsFan 03-09-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568591)
Irregardless, they free up roster space for new talent.

These guys weren't traded for. They were free agents. The Pats were not using roster space for these guys. These are completely unrelated moves.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-09-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5568613)
WHAT THE ****, HOLMES?

No shit.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-09-2009 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568615)
Ruh?

Regardless. To irr is to err.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5568617)
These guys weren't traded for. They were free agents. The Pats were not using roster space for these guys. These are completely unrelated moves.

So they were parking attendants?

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5568620)
Regardless. To irr is to err.

Meh.

To meh is to meh.

Hammock Parties 03-09-2009 04:34 PM

YOU SECURE THAT SHIT HUDSON

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5568628)
YOU SECURE THAT SHIT HUDSON

LMAO

Ya' zir, right away zir!

BigRock 03-09-2009 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568591)
Irregardless, they free up roster space for new talent.

They weren't on the Pats' roster. Robertson was waived in late February. Jones was waived during the season.

They're just PS guys Pioli is familiar with who obviously couldn't get on the field in New England. I imagine they'll have an easier time here.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5568648)
They weren't on the Pats' roster. Robertson was waived in late February. Jones was waived during the season.

They're just PS guys Pioli is familiar with who obviously couldn't get on the field in New England. I imagine they'll have an easier time here.

Robertson I can see, but what is the point with Jones? We don't need Corners.

DeezNutz 03-09-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5568520)
I would counter by saying that there are always variables that might affect a decision to draft an "elite" quarterback prospect. The mental stability of the current quarterback and/or the working relation between that quarterback and the coaching staff are just two of these.

It's conceivable, of course, that a team might use a high pick to draft a quarterback for developmental purposes. However, that's extremely unusual when the team actually believes they already have a guy with 8 to 10 years of solid leadership and winning left in him.

My point is this; why should the Chiefs (or any team, for that matter) draft a young quarterback if and when they honestly believe there's another guy out there who, A) Has already had NFL experience, B) Proven he can win, C) Has a good working relationship with the GM, D) Is a "known" quantity, and E) Is young enough to lead for the better part of a decade? Add the fact that, in our case, quarterback is just one of the positions of need since the team is full of holes on both sides of the ball, and you have yourself a ding dang answer as to why Pioli did what he did.

The problem we (Chiefs fans) have is that the vast majority of Carl's moves in player acquisition (since DT) turned out poorly. Carl was GM. Pioli is GM. Chiefs fans automatically assume that, if Pioli did something reminiscent of Carl, the results will be similar. It's understandable, but it's an example of cognitive dissonance. These are different circumstances merely because the participants are different.

FAX

Damnit, FAX. There you go again, making cogent, logical points to support a position that I don't want to be in favor of. Before I know it, I'm going to be giving Pioli the benefit of the doubt with this whole Cassel thing and letting go of my disgust for passing on the possibility of mining the elite prospects in this year's draft class.

BigRock 03-09-2009 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5568661)
Robertson I can see, but what is the point with Jones? We don't need Corners.

1) You can always use corners.
B) Jones is a receiver.

FAX 03-09-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5568743)
Damnit, FAX. There you go again, making cogent, logical points to support a position that I don't want to be in favor of. Before I know it, I'm going to be giving Pioli the benefit of the doubt with this whole Cassel thing and letting go of my disgust for passing on the possibility of mining the elite prospects in this year's draft class.

I've mentioned this before, Mr. DeezNutz, but I'm not sure we're completely out of the quarterback market, yet.

When you put yourself in Pioli's shoes and try to think like he might (Not that he thinks with his shoes, or feet, or anything. He probably thinks with his brain like everybody else, although I suppose it is possible that he does possess some neurons and synapses in his lower extremities which might explain his extraordinary success at such a young age and the reason why he seems to frequently cross and uncross his legs during interviews.), he's probably looking at a guy in the later rounds.

He's already caught lightning in a bottle with Brady. Then, remarkably, Cassel comes in and performs admirably in Brady's place. He (Pioli, that is) may well believe that he has both the ability and the methodology to select a guy in the later rounds, save a ton of money, groom him up, and have him ready when the time is right.

A lot of peeps here seem to believe that Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks can only be had via high draft picks. Pioli may believe otherwise.

FAX

Mr. Flopnuts 03-09-2009 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5568791)
I've mentioned this before, Mr. DeezNutz, but I'm not sure we're completely out of the quarterback market, yet.

When you put yourself in Pioli's shoes and try to think like he might (Not that he thinks with his shoes, or feet, or anything. He probably thinks with his brain like everybody else, although I suppose it is possible that he does possess some neurons and synapses in his lower extremities which might explain his extraordinary success at such a young age and the reason why he seems to frequently cross and uncross his legs during interviews.), he's probably looking at a guy in the later rounds.

He's already caught lightning in a bottle with Brady. Then, remarkably, Cassel comes in and performs admirably in Brady's place. He (Pioli, that is) may well believe that he has both the ability and the methodology to select a guy in the later rounds, save a ton of money, groom him up, and have him ready when the time is right.

A lot of peeps here seem to believe that Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks can only be had via high draft picks. Pioli may believe otherwise.

FAX

I agree. He got a bargain in Cassel. Now he gets to find his next Brady in round 6. I'm confident we'll be taking a late round QB. I'll bet whoever it is gets some air time on ESPN or NFLN as well. Scott's done it twice now. He's going for the trifecta.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-09-2009 06:07 PM

My guess is John Parker Wilson.

DeezNutz 03-09-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5568791)
I've mentioned this before, Mr. DeezNutz, but I'm not sure we're completely out of the quarterback market, yet.

When you put yourself in Pioli's shoes and try to think like he might (Not that he thinks with his shoes, or feet, or anything. He probably thinks with his brain like everybody else, although I suppose it is possible that he does possess some neurons and synapses in his lower extremities which might explain his extraordinary success at such a young age and the reason why he seems to frequently cross and uncross his legs during interviews.), he's probably looking at a guy in the later rounds.

He's already caught lightning in a bottle with Brady. Then, remarkably, Cassel comes in and performs admirably in Brady's place. He (Pioli, that is) may well believe that he has both the ability and the methodology to select a guy in the later rounds, save a ton of money, groom him up, and have him ready when the time is right.

A lot of peeps here seem to believe that Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks can only be had via high draft picks. Pioli may believe otherwise.

FAX

We're on the same page with this one, FAX. I'd be shocked if he didn't select a QB in this draft. And in truthiness, I could see this happening as early as the third round. If Nate Davis were to slide, I could see him being too talented of a prospect to pass on.

I'm operating on the premise that Pioli will work diligently to trade out of the #3 spot, of course, and recoup the second rounder he spent on Cassel.

If this transpires, it's hard to fault the value of acquiring someone whom Pioli believes to be a starting-grade QB for essentially moving back a few spots in round 1.

FAX 03-09-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5568795)
I agree. He got a bargain in Cassel. Now he gets to find his next Brady in round 6. I'm confident we'll be taking a late round QB. I'll bet whoever it is gets some air time on ESPN or NFLN as well. Scott's done it twice now. He's going for the trifecta.

Well, it makes sense, Mr. Mr. Flopnuts.

Some GM/HC's are great at finding running backs. Parcells liked to develop good punt and kickoff return guys. Maybe Pioli has quarterback magic.

Stranger things have happened. I mean, Julia Roberts married Lyle Lovett and NASA once sent up a Venus probe that didn't explode in a million pieces.

FAX

FAX 03-09-2009 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5568815)
We're on the same page with this one, FAX. I'd be shocked if he didn't select a QB in this draft. And in truthiness, I could see this happening as early as the third round. If Nate Davis were to slide, I could see him being too talented of a prospect to pass on.

I'm operating on the premise that Pioli will work diligently to trade out of the #3 spot, of course, and recoup the second rounder he spent on Cassel.

If this transpires, it's hard to fault the value of acquiring someone whom Pioli believes to be a starting-grade QB for essentially moving back a few spots in round 1.

In one of the rare interviews that Pioli has granted (I wish I could find the exact quote) he talked about his approach to the draft and FA. Essentially, he seems to think about all this player acquisition stuff in terms of strategery - getting the absolute maximum value out of your picks, time, and money by evaluating your needs (both short- and long-term) as well as (and this is important) the needs of your potential trading partner.

Anyhow, that would indicate that we're far from finished in manipulating our draft position - to him, that's probably the fun part. I think Pioli would have been a good merchant or Templar Knight if he had any sword skills or looked halfway decent in a tunic.

FAX

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-09-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5568767)
1) You can always use corners.
B) Jones is a receiver.


True enough. One hour sleep makes for bad research.

milkman 03-09-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 5566766)
Steve Puellar, Steve Bono, Scott Mitchell, Jeff Hosterler etc... all good NFL back up QB's on good teams who went to other teams as the starter. A NFL hot commodity is nothing more than the flavor of the day. John Elway, Dan Marino, Phil Simms, Peyton Manning etc. were not traded for as back ups. Only Eli was acquired in a trade and I don't think the Chiefs have the #1 pick this year.

Pioli is doing the same thing Carl did. However; now it's the right way to build a team.

Don't tell me.

I didn't want Cassel.

I wanted Sanchez.

Mecca 03-09-2009 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5568796)
My guess is John Parker Wilson.

That guy sucks hard.

Hammock Parties 03-09-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5569192)
That guy sucks hard.

You should just copy and paste this for every post.

:D

MadMax 03-09-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5569188)
Don't tell me.

I didn't want Cassel.

I wanted Sanchez.



AMEN!

MadMax 03-09-2009 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 5568795)
I agree. He got a bargain in Cassel. Now he gets to find his next Brady in round 6. I'm confident we'll be taking a late round QB. I'll bet whoever it is gets some air time on ESPN or NFLN as well. Scott's done it twice now. He's going for the trifecta.



I admire your faith brother :)

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-10-2009 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5569188)
Don't tell me.

I didn't want Cassel.

I wanted Sanchez.

I wanted a less-sharp version of Sanchez. Oh Wait! I got him!

B-but..but...he's actually played in the NFL! B-but...but...he was a Patriot!

B-but...but...Scott Pioli knows everything and can do no wrong!

Calcountry 03-11-2009 11:20 AM

lol, Rush Limbaugh is discussing this article right now.

BigChiefFan 03-11-2009 11:26 AM

I mentioned this in another thread but Chase Holbrook is a late round pick, who has big, upside potential.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-11-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr (Post 5573068)
lol, Rush Limbaugh is discussing this article right now.

Limbaugh stars in "Tommy":

"Fatass can you hear me"?
"Fatass can you hear me"?

"Hey fatass; you can you ****ing HEAR ME OR NOT"?:LOL:LMAO

Ooops; he can't. And some people say Karma doesn't exist..

kc rush 03-11-2009 12:27 PM

Off The Couch: Whitlock, Jack Harry and KK Feud
greg

http://www.kcconfidential.com/?p=551#more-551

Jason Whitlock used his Sunday column to poke Kevin Kietzman, Jack Harry and even the dead-man-talking Neal Jones. As always, the OTC is happy to arbitrate this disagreement amongst the members of our local sports media.

“The New Don Fortune (Kevin Kietzman) expressed his disinterest in needing access and information from our New Carl Peterson, Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli. The New Don and his trusty sidekick, Mad Jack Harry, spent several minutes (last Wednesday) telling their listeners that we should trust Pioli implicitly and not waste emotion or energy worrying whether Pioli reveals himself, his plans or his players to the media.”
Jason Whitlock, Kansas City Star

GH: I miss this Jason Whitlock — the one petty enough to use his Sunday column to wallow in a literary bashing of his peers in the local media. Jack Harry chose to be just as petty when he used his Sunday-night soapbox (which is can’t miss TV for me) to fire back at the Round Mound of Clowns.

“I was prepared to offer a retort to an article authored by J. Whitlock, better known in the media as Pork Chop. I thought why give this guy any publicity and then I thought, ‘Why not?’”
Jack Harry, as he launched into a five minute attack on Whitlock, KSHB TV 41

GH: Would it have been more professional for Harry to ignore Whitlock’s barbs? Probably, but not nearly as entertaining.

“Having worked in sports-talk radio, I’m aware that the discipline requires a dramatic and healthy loosening of journalistic standards.”
Jason Whitlock, Kansas City Star

GH: Good thing sports-talk radio isn’t bound by those same stringent journalistic standards that prevented The Star from reporting for a month the publisher’s wife, Rhonda Chriss Lokeman’s DUI arrest (where she was found to be driving on only three tires). Read on.

“In news sure to rock the Kansas City Star, McClatchy Watch has learned Rhonda Lokeman, the controversial columnist who is married to Kansas City Star publisher Mark Zieman, was arrested for DUI in Kansas City, MO. The arrest occurred the first week in January and the newspaper has managed to keep her arrest a secret from KC Star readers — at least until now (February).”
McClatchy Watch

GH: Lokeman quietly retired after her arrest and word is that most Star edfitors and employees were just as shocked as readers to read of her three-tire arrest a month later in The Star.

“It was news to me. And as I discovered when I asked editors in the newsroom, nobody there knew about it there either, from the police/justice assistant city editor on up to editor and vice president Mike Fannin. Obviously, they know now.”
Derek Donovan, more than a month after Lokeman’s arrest, Reader Representative of The Kansas City Star

GH: Let’s assume Mark Zieman, the publisher of The Star, knew on January 1, 2009 his wife had been arrested. If true, Zieman withheld this information from the paper’s editor and newsroom for over a month – presumable simply because he is married to Lokeman. My question is how does Zieman even show his face to those Star employees who have based their careers on the stringent guidelines of journalism that William Rockhill Nelson founded the newspaper on back in 1860?Is The Star’s new motto; A Paper for the People – unless my wife gets arrested.

“I’ve received two emails now on Jason Whitlock saying I lacked journalistic integrity and Jack has received none.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM

GH: Sounds eerily familiar to the Carl Peterson defense.

“The rotund one took a few shots at Kevin Kietzman and I in his daily rant column. He is questioning our journalistic integrity. That’s fine coming from anyone besides Jason Whitlock.”
Jack Harry, KSHB TV 41

GH: Let’s get this question of who of these three has or does not have journalistic integrity out of the way immediately – none of these TMZ lookalikes. These three have more in common with each other (and PowerCat.com’s Tim Fitzgerald) than they’ll admit.

“I subscribe to this paper to read the work of Joe Posnanski and Blair Kerkhoff. I must confess that I carefully cut out Whitlock’s column and use it to line my granddaughter’s birdcage on a daily basis.”
Jack Harry, KSHB TV 41

“Pork Chop thinks Kietzman and I are too soft on Chiefs’ General Manager, Scott Pioli. Obviously Whitlock is not in touch with reality nor does he have a pulse of what’s happening in this city.”
Jack Harry, KSHB TV 41

“(Bill Belichick) has brainwashed his players into believing the media are evil, incompetent and stirrers of chaos.”
Jason Whitlock, Kansas City Star

GH: I wonder why Belichick would think that of a columnist who refuses to produce collaborating quotes from management or players to confirm or deny an unnamed source’s damaging story like that of Brian Waters?

“I think there might be some sour grapes involving Whitlock and the Patriots. Whitlock wrote something that wasn’t very nice about a Patriots player on a piece of paper and then plastered it on the press box window trying to rile New England fans and he did!”
Jack Harry, on why he believes Whitlock has it in for Pioli, KSHB TV 41

GH: JW’s sign was hand-written and it read; “Bledsoe gay?” The Star suspended him for two weeks in 1998 but this incident continues to be his Jim Rome/Jim (Chris) Everett shadow.

“Unchallenged leaders are dictators and quickly turn unethical.”
Jason Whitlock, Kansas City Star

GH: Just who is it at The Star who is challenging the words JW is oozing out these days? Replace the word “leaders” with “journalists” in the sentence above and the message remains the same.

“Whitlock has made some cruel verbal attacks on radio and TV people in this town. Deep down he is envious of those in the electronic media. He wants to be on the air in the worst way.”
Jack Harry, KSHB TV 41

GH: I don’t think Pork Chop is envious of anyone besides Denzel. But he would like to get a local or satellite sports talk show to help revive Jeff George’s career.

“The bottom line is he is not good enough to get a fulltime gig in broadcasting and he knows it.”
Jack Harry, KSHB TV 41

GH: Yeah, it takes some real talent to get a gig in TV or radio in this town. Has Jack ever watched tapes of himself? Has he watched Len Dawson swallow his tongue trying to pronounce names with consecutive vowels? Are 610’s ratings above 2.0 in any demo yet? Hasn’t Karen Kornacki cashed a paycheck for the past 20 years? Whitlock’s problem isn’t his talent, it’s his personal insecurity and paranoia that have burned his broadcasting bridges.

“I’m the only one at the station who doesn’t have a computer on his desk. The people I work with are aware of that fact. If I need something I just go to them. …I have a computer at home but it isn’t set up.”
Len Dawson, explaining he doesn’t use email, The Star Magazine

GH: Dawson is most likely the highest-paid TV anchor on local television. Imagine doing your job w/o access to email, text messaging or the Internet. Dawson does other seniors a disservice for perpetuating the stereotype that they cannot/will not participate in a technical world. There is little question in my mind why Dawson’s Channel 9 sportscast is the one to skip.

“I find one of our local (sports talk radio) stations unlisten-Neal-able.”
Jason Whitlock, Kansas City Star

GH: Instead of taking offense at Whitlock’s slight, I am pretty sure Neal Jones was happy to just get a mention in The Star. Word is that Jones will be soon departing 610’s afternoon drive slot. The unknown but potentially talented 610 night-time host, Nick Wright, is being considered to replace unlisten-Neal-able.

“I don’t think it’s necessary to talk about the slap fight going on between one of our television anchors and our most self-promoting Kansas City Star columnist.”
Nick Wright, evening talk show host on 610 AM

GH: Unlike KK and Harry, Wright mentioned that he was receiving a deluge of emails concerning the Whitlock and Harry feud. He also could not resist weighing in on the topic.

“This is basically a guy who is still relevant sticking a fork in a guy who is a parody of his former self and whose career is spiraling. I don’t want to mention him by name. I don’t know how his family still lets him out of the house. Did I just talk about it?”
Nick Wright, evening talk show host on 610 AM

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