and I'm out.

Can't wait to see Hamas and Milkman come in tomorrow with whatever they want to add...and hopefully we'll see ol' Amnorix chime in again! I almost forgot he existed!

(I'm sure that had nothing to do with Brady suddenly transforming into the 4th or 5th best QB in the game...)

Saints are regularly in a 3WR package. He is basically a starter.

lol yea Clancy Pendergast defense was better then Pittsburghs ROFL

They scored 24 on offense lets be fair.

god damnit

I want to be done with this freaking topic

Peyton Manning basically sat out the 2nd quarter...

and he had 1.5 drives in the 3rd quarter...1 of them resulting in a TD...

the reason the Colts had such a high T.O.P. WAS...like usual...

every one of their drives was super clock consuming...I think they punted once (Garcon drop)...

Peyton Manning's TEAM managed to put up 7 points in 3 quarters...I'll give you taht.

Doesn't Manning run his own plays? Wouldn't he be the reason for the Colts offensive gameplan.

Nobody is saying that. They're saying "haha Manning chokes".

Uh dude even if you think Manning is calling every play, I don't think he wanted to kick a 50 yard FG with a 100 year old kicker.

where did I say that?

Kurt Warner threw a 14 point INT with no time remaining in the 1st half...well...at least a 10 point INT...maybe a 14 point INT...

either way...

I'm entitled to my opinion. I thought the postseason Cardinals were the best team in the NFL last year.

Yeah that was a dumb coaching decision.

I thought they should have either punted or gone for it...I didn't even think a FG was an option...

I was downright shocked when Stover came on to the field...

I am still a firm believer when I say...

Tony Dungy is the worst thing that ever happened to Peyton Manning.

...and the blame it on the *kicker/coaches decision to use said kicker* card gets played

watching people come up with excuses for mannings choke jobs is amusing. predictable, but amusing

You certainly are but come on dude Pittsburgh creamed the AFC competition while Arizona almost blew it aginst Philly. I was suprised how good they played aginst Pittsburgh.

Watching people blame Manning for everything is about as amusing.

I get it, the majority of this forum hates the guy.

Yea Manning sucks I'm glad we have Cassel.

if he had thrown that pick, plus another pick, and taken three or four sacks, and made 5 or 6 terrible throws...

then yeah...

I'd be all over the fact he choked.

But since he made one bad throw all game long...

So tonight I was informed that Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning are chokers but I always see posts about how Cassel will get better.

This is bizarro world planet.

He made 1 bad throw and i'm not so sure Wayne just pretty much stood there.

i dont hate manning. i think hes a fine qb. a fine qb that happens to shit himself at inconvenient times

Yes, because that is exactly what people are saying.

than ur a moran

There's something about this market and QB's that brings out hate.

Did you guys all drink from the same bucket of stupid tonight?

you know what I consider a choke?

The NBA Finals a few years back when the Heat won...

91% FT shooter Dirk Nowitzki is on the line...he hit his 1st...no time left...the 2nd equals OT...they are up 2-0 in the series I believe...

He misses.

The Heat end up winning in 6.

That's a choke.

I think for an NFL QB to choke...they literally have to be rattled beyond comprehension...or scared...or inexperienced in the moment...

Do I think Manning wishes he had that pass back? Sure.

Do I think he choked there? Nope.

Do I think he expected Wayne to be open? Yep.

Was Wayne open? Nope.

Was Collie more open? Absolutely.

But hey...not even Peyton Manning makes every correct read...although he was pretty much flawless up until that point which is just ridiculous (especially considering the fact that they were losing...)

id love to have a qb as good as manning. really i would. especially compared to the stiffs weve trotted out there for years and years.

but unfortunately i would get pissed when he choked it away every year

These Manning arguments are just the same things said over and over. I don't even care at this point, he's an elite player at his position.

ok I'm done not even hitting refresh done done done done done

manning is the greatest qb of all time. completing a simple 15 yard pattern should and always is a breeze to him.

except when it mattered.

thats a choke

He won a superbowl ROFL

You know why Manning sat out the second quarter? The Colts had 2 possessions in the second quarter. They managed 6 plays. If Mr. "Flawless" was able to move the ball on that first possession, then maybe they could have taken their momentum from the first quarter and put the game away. Then, how about the end of the quarter? As great as Manning is, you think he could have managed a first down to keep the Saints from getting the ball back and scoring a field goal. But no. He went 3 and out, allowing the Saints a short field and 3 points that they should never have had a chance to get.

there have been many elite players in all sports that just couldnt do it when it mattered most. shrank in the spotlight. no big deal, just is what it is

It's really not his fault that Garcon dropped a 3rd down pass that hit him right in the chest.

no he didnt billlay stop making shit up

Manning isn't even my favorite QB in the league but I do think he gets ridiculous flack sometimes.

No man it's Mannings fault the Colts D-line was pwnt by the Saints.

oh and that miami dallas series was the biggest ref con job in history. wade had like 295 more FTAs than any maverick. IF GAME IF GAME IF GAME

Dwayne Wade shot like 30 FT's in one game.

The Saints d-line was "pwnt" by the Colts. Whats your point?

Colston dropped a crucial pass to. It's part of the game. Shit happens. That doesn't excuse Manning from throwing a terrible pick in a crucial moment in the game.



Im going to bed too. I don't know why the **** I'm arguing about Manning in the 1st place.

The Saints were playing keep away from Manning. Which is funny why would you play keep away from an scrub like Manning?

The argument in general is dumb, I don't know why anyone would care so much about a player being great or sucking when he isn't on our team.

It's not like we have a QB we're trying to say is better so I don't really get why Manning has so many threads on here.

well I have no respect for someone's opinion when they didn't watch the game...because clearly you weren't watching

There's no need to debate this. The fact there are people out there who feel this tainted his reputation as the best quarterback ever PROVES it has influenced people's opinion of him.

If the question is if it changed people's opinion on whether or not he's the greatest of all time, the answer HAS TO BE yes. The fact there's any debate over it whatsoever proves it did to a certain extent.

If you're debating whether it was a fluke or indication of his performance on an epic level, only time will tell. The only purpose debating it fulfills is our own personal pleasure.

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You seemed to have a pretty easy time tearing apart Tom Brady for not being impressive by winning Super Bowls by driving his team into winning position time after time.

Fantasy trophies mean shit in the NFL. I don't think you've ever understood that.

Further, I think even less of Tom Brady for not even making the Super Bowl this year.

manning choked last night, i dont remember montana choking n the superbowl

Hootie has displayed a truly appalling amount of relativism in this, and basically every thread, in which he's proven wrong time and time again.

Manning is the GOAT of all time because he makes Marvin Harrison into one of the most productive receivers ever. Eddie Kennison would have had just as good of a career.

Tonight? Manning's downfall is blamed on Reggie Wayne.

Collie and Garcon mean nothing, he can do it with anyone, then Brees has a better supporting cast.

Manning only made one bad throw the entire game?

Well, what about that overthrow on 3rd down on the first drive that cost them a chance to get 7?

What about that bad decision on the out route on the game changing drive before he thew a ball that was almost intercepted by Jenkins?

Let's also remember that the Colts had twice as many yards rushing as the Saints, the same number of rushing attempts, so their running game was far more productive.

The Colts defense also gave Manning a turnover on the 2 yard line, basically saving him from having to score another 7 points.

Manning is the offensive coordinator and coach of the team, he calls all the plays and waves the punt team off the field...unless there are two minutes left in the half and then all of a sudden all calls go directly through Caldwell, who's never called an offensive play in his life.

The entire game flipped on the Garcon drop, but not the Colston drop.

What an embarrassing display.

Yeah, Manning played well last night. But he's the most important player on the team, and the other guy's most important player outperformed him, despite having no help from a running game. Manning also faced absolutely no pressure last night, save for one play.

And he threw a pick six.

Drew Brees was better when he had to be better.

Just like Tom Brady was better than Manning when he had to be.

Manning is an all-time great QB, but the fact remains that Montana won 4 SBs, including making a longer drive that Manning couldn't with half the time, and every time Manning has faced a truly top shelf QB in the playoffs, his record is:

1-6

Brady: 1-2
Brees: 0-1
Rivers: 0-2
McNair ('99 version): 0-1

Meanwhile, his wins in the playoffs have come against the following:

Trent Green: 2-0
McNair (washed up '06 version)
Rex Grossman
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (rookie)
Jake Plummer: 2-0

(We won't bash him for losses against Jay Fiedler, Chad Pennington, or 2nd year game manager Ben Roethlisberger here)

Manning is far more Wilt Chamberlain than he is Bill Russell.

NO team shall ever be Holy Enough in support to bust Payton's multi-super bowl maidenhead.

let's wrap this thread up

Dear Peyton,

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You're blaming Dungy for this loss?? :eek: HTF does that work?

Yeah that game of keep away really worked seeing as how the saints had a whopping 1 minute advantage with TOP.
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Then stop posting in those threads and helping them stay at the top.
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4 out of nine isnt bad also knee surgery
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Carl Nicks after the game:

"I'm going to mother-^%$@!#$ disney land!"


hilarious

Wow. As usual, Hootie just does not get it. Stupid ****.

I can't help but wonder why there are all these meaning less threads here.

um, he neither runs the ball or catches it. Garcon's drop was the play of the game. He catches that (perfect) pass and they go up 17-0.

Because Hootie is a stupid ****.

That WAS a huge drop. But no way does that cost them the game. It happened way too early. I'd say Manning throwing a pick6 with 3:something left in the game while driving to tie it is quite a bit more devastating.

Follow Austin Collie on this play, and pause at 17 seconds.

Then tell me that the INT was anyone but Manning's fault.

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Yeah, the pick is on Manning. There's not really any doubt or argument about it.

Looks like 17? was open on that play.

I was rooting for the Saints like everyone else in the country who doesn't reside in Indiana. But I felt bad for Manning. He's a class guy.

That's what I just said.

Follow Austin Collie. Manning blew it.

Some great QBs have never won a SB and are still Hall of Famers.
Like Jim Kelly and Dan Marino. Two great QBs. Meanwhile Trent Dilfer and Bard Johnson have won SBs.

I did too actually and I am not even mildly a Colt liker.

Sims said something interesting just a fe plays before the Pick 6. He said that Greg Williams (the D coordinator for the Saints, for those who don't know) mentioned to him that they (Saints D) were saving a few things that Manning hadn't seen before, and they were going to show it when needed.

I wonder if this contributed to the Pick 6; and/or Porter just making a great read on the route and a great break on the ball.

Don't you know anything about football?

That kicker wasn't a day over 90.

Even I knew that. Sheesh!

thats sorta funny because had colston caught his perfect pass i think the saints would have had a little more momentum..did garcon make peyton throw the pick at the end of the game

you know whats great about this? sims is saying "i would not blitz, dont blitz here!" and then the saints bring the house and then its #18 shitapalooza

It looks like Wayne runs a crappy route. I'm not sure how it is Manning's fault any more than his.

That said, as a former N.O. resident and life-long Saints fan, I'd like to point out that is was an amazing defensive play that resulted from hours and hours of film study.

A curl? A curl? What's crappy about running a curl route just beyond the sticks to get a first?

Manning f'ed up by throwing to the wrong fugging guy. Watch the tape. It's screamingly obvious.

And I agree, great job Saints, but that pick is NOT on the WR.

Good sportsmanship by Manning going over to congratulate Drew.

Collie was open at the marker with lots of room to run. :shake:

I guess you misunderstood. The route itself wasn't crappy (nothing wrong with a good curl route), it was poorly executed by the WR. Pause at :17. What's going on with his feet?

Yes, Manning could have thrown to a different (open!) receiver, but in the face of a blitz options are rushed and limited. I don't understand why the WR made no play on the ball. I heard someone claim that he slipped, but I'm not sure that's what I see.

And the Saints are awesome and tops at creating turnovers.

:rolleyes: You're serious?

Brilliant

Yes. A curl route is a timing route. It is incumbent upon the receiver to be in the right place at the right time.

Once again, though, the Saints (of whom I am a life-long supporter) made an excellent play. I am by no means a Colts fan, although I very firmly believe that Peyton Manning is a much better quarterback than Tom Brady. Manning is in the top 10 of all time. Brady is not.