That's not the point

We are we dragging Aaron Curry into this?

I'm more considered about your ****ing Dan Snyder bullshit... obviously you're avoiding that shit at all costs because its an un-****ing believable argument for firing Haley

You have a valid point about his personnel decisions, so I probably did the King a disservice.

But, come on, Marty can coach his ass off (until week 18 :().

Curry's birthday celebration is coming up.......

:clap:

Here's the deal, Dude:

The best and most consistent teams in the NFL are that way because of ownership.

Plain and simple.

Whether you're talking about the Mara's and the Giants, the Rooney's and the Steelers, Model & Cleveland/Baltimore, the Patriots and Bob Kraft, Jeff Lurie & the Eagles, DeBartolo and the 49ers, JKC and the 'Skins and so on.

Owners that demand championships get championships.

The Hunt family has never demanded a damn thing.

Three kings brought gifts to the newborn Jesus Curry as he slept in a manger...........

Actually if I remember right, didnt Marty get some of the personnel control in the late 90's that produced the phrase "Bones, Thugs and Marty"?

Fair enough Dane... But Snyder? Come on.. Dude is KooKo for Cocoa Puffs....

You're missing the point, Dipshit.

Lamar Hunt kept two bozos in charge of his franchise for nearly 30 years.

While those two bozos produced some results their first decade, they were totally EPIC FAIL for the next two decades.

The Chiefs went 15 YEARS without a playoff appearance and another 16 years without a playoff win.

Like it or not, Daniel Snyder wouldn't have just sat by and watched an empty stadium for nearly two decades and not done anything about it.

1998.

And here we are now. It's a process.

Sure, because each and every year, he tries to win.

That's crazy talk 'round these parts!

:facepalm:

Probably not.. Dude changes his personnel like I change underwear...

Absolutely 100% Correct.

They probably love their teams, but they stay out of the way when it comes down to brass taxes. They hire the right people and get out of their way.

Snyder and Jones (lately) have hurt their teams by becoming too involved and letting their clouded judgement hold them back.

mmmkay...

That's not necessarily true.

He had stuck with Vinny Cerato for a decade.

Now that he's gone, we'll see. But with a dedicated fan base and tons of dough, I don't expect them to make many mistakes with Allen at the helm.

Especially if they get Shanahan.

Come on, Bam Morris and T. Vanover were quality citizens.

"I have no gift to bring, pa-rum-pa-pum-pum"
-Tebow.

Okay, trying to win and succeeding are two different things dont you think?

Al Davis tries to win each year... Snyder tries to win each year...

So do you just fire everyone and start over the minute something doest go the way you want it to? That is Al Davis's plan and AD jr isnt far behind the crazy old bastard....

Snyder might want to win, but his quick fuse and reputation will keep him from it for awhile... He would probably be best served as a Hands off owner...

Yes, and after the abortion that was the 1998 season and Marty quit, two years later Snyder HIRED Marty and gave him personnel control.

It didnt work well.

But dont you worry, Snyder's got the Master Plan.

Fair enough, I can see your point... But dude has to stop messing around with the team..

You cant be a fan first and owner second... You would make WAY too many snap emotional decessions...

The Rooney's have always been intimately involved, just as have the Mara's and the others.

Here's an example of what I mean by that.

Mara: Hi Tom. What do you want to talk about?
Coughlin: As you know, Mr. Mara, our DC was hired by the Rams as HC.
Mara: Yes, I know.
TC: Well, I've decided to hire Clancy Pendergast.
Mara: Like **** you are! Find someone else. ANYONE else. And get the **** out of my office.
TC: Yes sir.

The Dan Snyder approach to operating a football team has produced JACK SHIT.

You're delusional. This does more to justify keeping Haley than fire him.

That funny....

And the Lamar Hunt/Clark Hunt way of operating a football team has produced what exactly in the last 40 YEARS?

A good owner would NEVER allow Pendergast to be hired as DC

oooOOOOooOOOOooOOO

I know, I know, Pick me, Pick me!!!!!


Yes Reerun: ABSOLUTELY FAIL?

ROFL

Agreed... It was a GROB hiring part 2.... Bad Bad choice... But there werent many options at that time of his hiring...

Cupboard was pretty bare.

****ing A

In fact a good owner would have either:

A. Laughed in their face

or

B. Fired their ass on the spot for going full reerun.

What do I win?

:shrug:

The Raiders have so much freakin' talent on that team.

If Gradkowski had been the starter all year, they'd have 10 wins right now.

The Raiders are a QB away from being extremely dangerous. God help us if Al dies and they find that QB.

Absolutely, unequivocally, UNTRUE.

I addressed this in another thread.

There are 31 other NFL football franchises, each with defensive coaches.

There are more than 100 NCAA D-I schools, each with a defensive coordinator and coaches.

Are you suggesting that out of all of those candidates, CLANCY ****ING PENDERGAST IS MOST QUALIFIED?

I didn't think so.

I don't give a ****. I was pointing out that it was ****ed up to defame a dead man that did so much in his lifetime. It is a matter of respect for your elders and the deceased.

Quit ****ing back-peddling on Snyder. You are an impatient pussy, so is Snyder. It doesn't work when you are running a football team.

He will never die..... EVER!!!!!

Again, **** YOU.

Impatient? Hardly.

Except with stupid ****ing morons like yourself.

no not saying that... I dont remember who was out there that was a 3-4 guy when we were trying to fill this coaching staff so late n the year...

Jesus Curry needs to talk to his Dad and have him grant Al immortality.

We had limited options when Haley was hired. Couldn't get the fat man from NE, by way of Clev., so we had to turn to AZ, with Miami presumably on speed dial.

Castoffs from the 2009 Pinkel recruiting drive? The Ark can only hold so many!

Maybe we could trade them Cassel or Croyle?

Or both!

you're one of the biggest chicken little's on this board

:clap:

Firing Haley would be a stupid move
 

Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.

Again, go **** yourself.

And if you're going to make claims like that, which are totally and completely untrue, you'd better be prepared to back them up, Mother****er.

He wasnt hired as the DC. You have to know that. Im sure you do.

He was hired and then later appointed as the DC after we couldnt get anyone else that fit the criteria. We woo'd Crennel at the time and I can remember us saying that we arent done with the staff and then a week later after nobodty else was added, CP was named DC.

don't you be adding rational thoughts to this discussion.

don't be coming up in here with logical thinking.

Um, regardless of the time that passed, last time I checked, Pendergast was named Defensive Coordinator and is serving in that position.

Regardless, he should have NEVER been hired.

PERIOD.

Media members speculated about the laughable nature of listing all the defensive coaches, yet not identifying them by title.

Early warning signs abounded...

Um, going through a year with Pioli & Haley puts you back at zero.

Or have you not been paying attention?

well you know what... all you have been doing is avoiding discussion by telling me to "go **** myself" so uhhhhhh GO **** YOURSELF

Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.

Come on, Dude.

Don't you know that the longer you coach in the NFL, the smarter you become?

I mean, just look at Gunther!

4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.

I think someone here needs to get Clark Hunt on here and ask him what his expectations where? What limitations or parameters if any did He put on the GM and HC for personnel...

I think that would clear up alot of discussions on here where people think they have everything solved and know what the best thing for the franchise is...

I couldn't respond to that post. It just hurt my head too much.

Not 4... But Maybe 3...

You can go from the depths of hell to superbowl in 3 years.... You should be able to rebuild your franchise in 3 years with FA and the draft...

The rate this team is going, we're going to have a lot of high draft picks on this team in 3 years.

Free agency will not exist as we know it in 2010.

And Pioli ****ing screwed the pooch in 2009.

His expectations were to hire the biggest name out there, hand him keys to the franchise and look the other way.

Guess it is time to shut it down... Close up the franchise and just quit.... No need to continue!

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Still would like to have Clark clear this up for us...

Good luck

we need a larger sample size than one ****ing season before we start adorning everyone "dumbasses"

Clark/Pioli/Haley deserve a fair shot at proving themselves and I'm telling you right now that one season is not a fair shot... I'll hear nothing different. Good night everyone (except Dane... **** you Dane)

Im willing to give him the same amount of time Herm was. 3 years MAX.

By the middle of the third season, you can tell if you have any shot at winning a championship with said coach.

2 is too little, as if Vermeil was fired after two years for KC or Stl, he would have been total fail in both places. If Coughlin was fired after two years in NY, they most likely wouldn't have won the superbowl.

4 is too long IMHO.

Hard line approaches take time to sink into a roster mentality... as Vermeil and Coughin showed for multiple teams, as have many others. Haleys will be no different.

If we dont start to see something start to come together next year, this question should be asked, but this early is very unfair IMHO.

You think Holmgren is going to give Mangini another year?

Before you go off into the land of Rainbows and Unicorns, I'd like you to give us TWO reasons why Haley should return next year.

Caveat: Neither reason can be because he's a rookie head coach and needs more time to develop OR that the roster isn't talented enough.

I'll be waiting.

obviously no.

holmgren didn't hire mangini, he's going to be ****ed.

Pioli, however, hired Haley.

BYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What, Pioli can't admit he ****ed up?

ROFL Oooh! Just a littlle outside!

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How many years does Zorn deserve in Washington?

Anyone watch that game tonight? LMAO.

We can't judge this man, yet.

Snyder's a terrible owner. He should stop changing coaches and keep Zorn for at least three more years.

THEN he can be adequately judged.

That is pretty much what a good owner should do. Right? Not trying to argue here, but really what are you expecting him to do other than what he has done?

Pioli may have a lot of knocks on him, but one of those isnt that he couldnt effectivelty sign players to bolster the roster and to trade for difference makers. Those had been his responsibilities that he performed in NE to the highest level and should be given a chance to do so here for more than one offseason before declaring him a failure. The list of FAs he helped bring in to NE when he first got there wasnt impressive either, but the list of players he signed and traded for during the last 10 years there is quite impressive.

1. Continuity within the organization

2. He hasn't assembled a staff he is comfortable and on the same page with (coordinators mainly)

and for shits...

LOYALTY AND FAIRNESS

Zorn and his ****ing fake FG. LMAO.

There's only one other coach in the league who might do that. And, yes, 4-8-28, gives us evidence that it's a possibility.

Is that more or less stupid than faking a punt with Brodie Croyle?