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'Hamas' Jenkins 01-09-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Crunch (Post 6427937)
Which will be their undoing. They should have went for the kill when they had the chance. Conservatism will not win in the playoffs. You have to take chances.

Their O-Coordinator's last name is Schottenheimer.

NEVAR FORGET

MMXcalibur 01-09-2010 05:33 PM

The Bengals are looking very "Chiefs-esque" in this playoff game.

tk13 01-09-2010 05:33 PM

Now it feels like a Chiefs playoff game.

keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 6427950)
The Bengals are looking very "Chiefs-esque" in this playoff game.

The fact that they're even in a playoff game precludes them from looking in any way like the Chiefs.

RealSNR 01-09-2010 05:34 PM

Shaynk Graham

kcxiv 01-09-2010 05:34 PM

If Sanchez wasnt a rookie i think you take chances, but i dont know if you do many chances with him.

DeezNutz 01-09-2010 05:34 PM

The Bengals are overrated as ****, and when the record predictions come out in Vegas, taking the under in '10 would be a very wise choice.

milkman 01-09-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6427938)
I'm not in the anti-Sanchez crowd, but reality is that Sanchez does have a better team. He's had a better team all along. They're (much) better on defense, they're better on the offensive line, they're better at receiver, they're better running the ball (in a general sense, Charles as a individual may be better than Jones or Greene, but he's not better than Jones and Greene, collectively), they're better in virtually every conceivable way that a team can be better.

I was actually disappointed with Sanchez in 2009. I expected him to be better than he was with what he has around him.

I am a "Sanchezite" and I'm not at all disappointed in his play this year.

It's about what one should have expected from a QB that has one year as a starter in college.

I wanted to draft him, but I also wanted to see him sit and learn for a year.

I really believe he needed to be brought along slowly.

DeezNutz 01-09-2010 05:35 PM

Lewis with the challenge.

Lack of accuracy, again.

cdcox 01-09-2010 05:35 PM

What a smart pass.

Dylan 01-09-2010 05:35 PM

great play by cotch -- 22 should have defended the ball -- well, first he had to turn his shoulder ever so slightly -- and see where the ball was going lol

Crush 01-09-2010 05:37 PM

GO FOR THE ****ING KILL!!!! Stop playing like pussies!!!

cdcox 01-09-2010 05:39 PM

Quick release.

Dylan 01-09-2010 05:39 PM

that was a nice throw down the middle by sanchez

DeezNutz 01-09-2010 05:39 PM

Why wasn't that pass batted down? /MC/

milkman 01-09-2010 05:40 PM

Bengal defense is getting worn down.

Greene is just punishing them now.

Dylan 01-09-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6427975)
Why wasn't that pass batted down? /MC/

fundamentals no? :D

hey, DeezNutz

keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6427961)
I am a "Sanchezite" and I'm not at all disappointed in his play this year.

It's about what one should have expected from a QB that has one year as a starter in college.

I wanted to draft him, but I also wanted to see him sit and learn for a year.

I really believe he needed to be brought along slowly.

Maybe. The reason I thought he should have been a mid- to late-first pick was his lack of experience. But if they saw and thought enough of him after the offseason and camp to play him, then I think you have to treat him like what we was, a top-5 draft pick QB. And in that light, I would say that 4 games with 3+ INTs, a season long completion percentage under 54 and a year-end QB rating of 63 has to be seen as a disappointment especially when you consider the fact that he wasn't actually asked to do much but game manage an offense built around running the ball.

And again, I was never anti-Sanchez, I just thought like you he'd need time. But the Jets disagreed when they picked him, and then disagreed again when they started him week 1...

So in the end, maybe you and I were right, but either way, he had a bad, bad year. Which in no way means he can't have better ones down the road.

milkman 01-09-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6427985)
Maybe. The reason I thought he should have been a mid- to late-first pick was his lack of experience. But if they saw and thought enough of him after the offseason and camp to play him, then I think you have to treat him like what we was, a top-5 draft pick QB. And in that light, I would say that 4 games with 3+ INTs, a season long completion percentage under 54 and a year-end QB rating of 63 has to be seen as a disappointment especially when you consider the fact that he wasn't actually asked to do much but game manage an offense built around running the ball.

And again, I was never anti-Sanchez, I just thought like you he'd need time. But the Jets disagreed when they picked him, and then disagreed again when they started him week 1...

So in the end, maybe you and I were right, but either way, he had a bad, bad year. Which in no way means he can't have better ones down the road.

I think the bottom line is that the Jets needed a QB.

Kellen Clemons is pretty pathetic, and even though Sanchez wasn't ready, and showed it throughout the season, he was still a better option.

Pioli Zombie 01-09-2010 05:43 PM

I will say this. If Sanchez ever DOES turn out to be a good qb, the Jets will dominate the AFC East for a few years. The Patriots fell too much in love with all the points and forgot what got them there. Defense. The lines. And yes a great qb. But they won a SB when Brady wasn't great.
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DeezNutz 01-09-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 6427984)
fundamentals no? :D

hey, DeezNutz

How YOU doin?

acesn8s 01-09-2010 05:44 PM

How the hell?

Hammock Parties 01-09-2010 05:44 PM

Sanchez 1

Cassel 0

warrior 01-09-2010 05:44 PM

TD -----------Jets

Frazod 01-09-2010 05:44 PM

Sweet. Suck it Bungles.

cdcox 01-09-2010 05:45 PM

J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS!

Crush 01-09-2010 05:45 PM

The Bengals are not coming back. The streak continues.

MMXcalibur 01-09-2010 05:45 PM

Damn, poor LJ :(

tk13 01-09-2010 05:45 PM

They just wear you down on the ground better than almost anyone. Bengals are in trouble.

Pioli Zombie 01-09-2010 05:46 PM

God we're going to have to hear the media blowing Sanchez all week
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keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:46 PM

I think it would be hilarious if the Chiefs unexpectedly pulled off a playoff berth next year and the Bungles went into the toilet again. Just call him LJ: Franchise Killer.

CaliforniaChief 01-09-2010 05:46 PM

Sanchez starting also had a lot to do with marketing, IMO. They had just spent a bunch of FA money and wanted to sell the whole thing.

milkman 01-09-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6427994)
I will say this. If Sanchez ever DOES turn out to be a good qb, the Jets will dominate the AFC East for a few years. The Patriots fell too much in love with all the points and forgot what got them there. Defense. The lines. And yes a great qb. But they won a SB when Brady wasn't great.
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Depends on how you define "great".

Numbers mean jack to me.

It's how you perform in the clutch, and Brady was clutch from the start.

That makes him great in my book.

Easy 6 01-09-2010 05:46 PM

Embarassed badly at home... and thats just the Donkos, the Bungles meltdown could potentially be even worse.

keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:47 PM

Charles Barkley hosting SNL may be the worst thing ever.

Stinger 01-09-2010 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 6428005)
Damn, poor LJ :(

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Originally Posted by KCbroncoHATER
I bet he gets more yards than all the chefs running backs combined in the playoffs.

Just sayin'.


LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Dylan 01-09-2010 05:48 PM

i haven't seen cincy do anything -- going back to the first series of the game

HemiEd 01-09-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 6427959)
If Sanchez wasnt a rookie i think you take chances, but i dont know if you do many chances with him.

Sanchez has shown more, than I think Cassel will ever have. I hope I am wrong, but don't think so.

cdcox 01-09-2010 05:48 PM

Well, Sanchez is running a 135.4 passer rating as of now (only 136 yards). Not bad for a rookie in a playoff game on the road.

Stinger 01-09-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 6428016)
i haven't seen cincy do anything -- going back to the first series of the game

They had a nice KO return to start the game...... Other than that

Hammock Parties 01-09-2010 05:49 PM

What stands out about Sanchez is how on target nearly every throw is.

His accuracy simply blows Cassel out of the water.

DeezNutz 01-09-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6428018)
Well, Sanchez is running a 135.4 passer rating as of now (only 136 yards). Not bad for a rookie in a playoff game on the road.

And? Cassel had back-to-back 400-yard games!

LMAO.

Vintage Chiefs.

ChiefsCountry 01-09-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6427985)
Maybe. The reason I thought he should have been a mid- to late-first pick was his lack of experience. But if they saw and thought enough of him after the offseason and camp to play him, then I think you have to treat him like what we was, a top-5 draft pick QB. And in that light, I would say that 4 games with 3+ INTs, a season long completion percentage under 54 and a year-end QB rating of 63 has to be seen as a disappointment especially when you consider the fact that he wasn't actually asked to do much but game manage an offense built around running the ball.

And again, I was never anti-Sanchez, I just thought like you he'd need time. But the Jets disagreed when they picked him, and then disagreed again when they started him week 1...

So in the end, maybe you and I were right, but either way, he had a bad, bad year. Which in no way means he can't have better ones down the road.

He was worth the top 5 spot heck he was worth our #3 spot. I would have signed somebody like Garcia or Kitna to fill in this year while he learned or for at least half of it.

keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6428010)
Depends on how you define "great".

Numbers mean jack to me.

It's how you perform in the clutch, and Brady was clutch from the start.

That makes him great in my book.

Brady has been great all along. He'll probably make somebody look really good tomorrow with Welker out. He certainly did it for years before Moss and Welker got there, and he was throwing to guys like Troy Brown and David Patten.

HemiEd 01-09-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428013)
Charles Barkley hosting SNL may be the worst thing ever.

I would prefer that, to ever seeing his golf swing again.

Stinger 01-09-2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 6428026)
I would prefer that, to ever seeing his golf swing again.

**Shudder**

keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6428023)
He was worth the top 5 spot heck he was worth our #3 spot. I would have signed somebody like Garcia or Kitna to fill in this year while he learned or for at least half of it.

I'll never believe he was worth a top 5 pick, not with a year as a starter heading into the draft. It's always been a stretch for me to even say he should have gone in the 20s. Just too big a gamble. In fact, I think he should have stayed another year at USC.

(And this has nothing to do with Cassel. I didn't want the Chiefs to trade for him in the first place, although I hope to Christ he turns into something, and soon.)

ChiefsCountry 01-09-2010 05:53 PM

I don't think today is too suprising really - Sanchez played his best in the biggest games at USC.

Easy 6 01-09-2010 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428013)
Charles Barkley hosting SNL may be the worst thing ever.

I'm looking forward to Keenan Thompson doing his Barkley in Charles presence.

Pioli Zombie 01-09-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428025)
Brady has been great all along. He'll probably make somebody look really good tomorrow with Welker out. He certainly did it for years before Moss and Welker got there, and he was throwing to guys like Troy Brown and David Patten.

If the Patriots are smart they won't change their gameplan one bit. Let the Ravens double Moss and run the Welker plays to Edelman. He won't catch 12 but he'll catch 7 or 8.
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cdcox 01-09-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428034)
I'll never believe he was worth a top 5 pick, not with a year as a starter heading into the draft. It's always been a stretch for me to even say he should have gone in the 20s. Just too big a gamble. In fact, I think he should have stayed another year at USC.

(And this has nothing to do with Cassel. I didn't want the Chiefs to trade for him in the first place, although I hope to Christ he turns into something, and soon.)

The QB position is so crucial that if you think a guy has "it" experience really doesn't factor in. So what if he takes an extra year to develop, which is all you will get by having him stay in college another year. There is no pick too high for a guy you think has "it".

milkman 01-09-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428034)
I'll never believe he was worth a top 5 pick, not with a year as a starter heading into the draft. It's always been a stretch for me to even say he should have gone in the 20s. Just too big a gamble. In fact, I think he should have stayed another year at USC.

(And this has nothing to do with Cassel. I didn't want the Chiefs to trade for him in the first place, although I hope to Christ he turns into something, and soon.)

I think if you believe he has franchise potential, you pull the trigger in the top 5, even if you believe he needs time to sit and learn.

Pioli Zombie 01-09-2010 05:57 PM

It would make me laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh if the Jets beat the Colts.
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keg in kc 01-09-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6428039)
The QB position is so crucial that if you think a guy has "it" experience really doesn't factor in. So what if he takes an extra year to develop, which is all you will get by having him stay in college another year. There is no pick too high for a guy you think has "it".

I don't think you can tell whether or not a guy has "it" from one year starting in college. That's my whole point.

I like Sanchez, but the truth is I wouldn't be any more surprised to see him totally flop than I would to see him turn into a franchise player.

I'll give it up to the Jets for having the balls to take a crazy gamble. It'll be great for them if it works out.

tk13 01-09-2010 05:57 PM

Even I think Sanchez is going to be a good QB. But people are talking like he's winning them the game, time to chill out. And he's had a solid game, but their running game, and especially their defense are what has them up front.

They have basically played a very Herm-esque game, they just have the personnel to do it. They're out there running wildcat in 3rd down situations.

Crush 01-09-2010 05:58 PM

The Wildcat on 3rd and 5? The Jets are trying their best to give this game to the Bengals.

Dylan 01-09-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6427999)
Sanchez 1

Cassel 0

I believe you cannot fully evaluate Cassel until he gets some help on the field... Weis is a great start...

j/m/o

milkman 01-09-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6428045)
Even I think Sanchez is going to be a good QB. But people are talking like he's winning them the game, time to chill out. And he's had a solid game, but their running game, and especially their defense are what has them up front.

They have basically played a very Herm-esque game, they just have the personnel to do it. They're out there running wildcat in 3rd down situations.

I doubt that anyone here actually believes he is winning the game.

Much of what is posted is tongue in cheek.

Hammock Parties 01-09-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 6428048)
I believe you cannot fully evaluate Cassel until he gets some help on the field...

j/m/o

Once again, Cassel had plenty of help on the field when he played the Bengals.

cdcox 01-09-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428043)
I don't think you can tell whether or not a guy has "it" from one year starting in college. That's my whole point.

I (obviously) disagree. You won't know but you can see the potential there (mechanics, accuracy, decision making, leadership).

ChiefsCountry 01-09-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6428034)
I'll never believe he was worth a top 5 pick, not with a year as a starter heading into the draft. It's always been a stretch for me to even say he should have gone in the 20s. Just too big a gamble. In fact, I think he should have stayed another year at USC.

(And this has nothing to do with Cassel. I didn't want the Chiefs to trade for him in the first place, although I hope to Christ he turns into something, and soon.)

Generally I would agree with that but Sanchez had a couple of things in his favor IMO - 1) playing in a pro-style offense and 2) he graduated. That showed alot more to me that he could overcome the lack of snaps (for the most part that is on Carroll for being a dipshit instead of Sanchez). If he was in this draft, he would be #1 overall no doubt in my mind.

WilliamTheIrish 01-09-2010 06:01 PM

Back in it.

cdcox 01-09-2010 06:01 PM

We have a ball game.

Hammock Parties 01-09-2010 06:01 PM

I ain't heard no fat lady.

warrior 01-09-2010 06:01 PM

Bungals TD-----woot

Pioli Zombie 01-09-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6427999)
Sanchez 1

Cassel 0

That's pretty dumb. Cassel plays for the Chiefs. Sanchez plays for the Jets. Ya think that might have something to do with it? Stafford is 0. You think Sanchez is better than Stafford?
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tk13 01-09-2010 06:02 PM

And the Bengals wake up.

smittysbar 01-09-2010 06:02 PM

Anyone have a live feed for the game?

Hammock Parties 01-09-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6428062)
That's pretty dumb. Cassel plays for the Chiefs. Sanchez plays for the Jets. Ya think that might have something to do with it? Stafford is 0. You think Sanchez is better than Stafford?
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Once again, Cassel got plenty of help from his teammates against the Bengals.

He shit the bed.

cdcox 01-09-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 6428065)
Anyone have a live feed for the game?

I almost bit.

Crush 01-09-2010 06:04 PM

The Jets are learning a painful lesson of what not to do in the playoffs. "Playing it safe" will lose the game 99.9% of the time.

ChiefsCountry 01-09-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6428045)
Even I think Sanchez is going to be a good QB. But people are talking like he's winning them the game, time to chill out. And he's had a solid game, but their running game, and especially their defense are what has them up front.

They have basically played a very Herm-esque game, they just have the personnel to do it. They're out there running wildcat in 3rd down situations.

They are Marty Balling it but Sanchez isn't shitting himself when plays are needed. Which for a rookie isn't too bad.

smittysbar 01-09-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6428069)
I almost bit.

I am serious.

tk13 01-09-2010 06:05 PM

Huge defensive series for the Bengals.

keg in kc 01-09-2010 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 6428053)
I (obviously) disagree. You won't know but you can see the potential there (mechanics, accuracy, decision making, leadership).

Which is why I was okay taking him in the 20s. That's the range (in my mind) for a crazy gamble on an unproven quarterback. Not the top 5. You don't draft projects that high, you draft the highest percentage at a sure thing you can find. I mean, hell, junior quarterbacks in general are a massive risk in the draft, much less one that hasn't played very much.

Anyway, I understand your opinion and respect it, just explaining my own. Like I said, I'm not anti-Sanchez, I just think think it's generally wiser to be more...traditional where draft picks are concerned, particularly with a high pick.

|Zach| 01-09-2010 06:06 PM

So I hadn't been watching the game at all. As soon as I turn it on Bengals TD.

They have me to thank.

Hammock Parties 01-09-2010 06:06 PM

Sanchez **** yeah!

warrior 01-09-2010 06:06 PM

And the dagger

keg in kc 01-09-2010 06:06 PM

That's some Chiefs tackling there, looking like TEs against us.

tk13 01-09-2010 06:06 PM

Great call. They've called that little bootleg at perfect times.


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