Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6694002)

I'd like some of you Ruthlessraper defenders to explain something to me:

1. Peyton & Eli Manning married their high school sweethearts, but neither have been in any trouble.

2. Brees married his sweetheart from Purdue.

3. Tom Brady banged super hot actresses (one he had a kid with) and Super Models (and married arguably the hottest women on planet Earth).

4. Ben Rothlisberger was accused of raping a VIP greeter and later, a 20 year old in a small Georgia college town.

Which of these ones aren't like the others?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6694010)

Rothlisberger and Brady because they have more rings.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6694013)

I'm sure I'll get castigated for saying it, but I think, despite the popularity of college ball here, that the NBA is seen by many in the midwest as a league in a "black sport" (or inner city sport if you're being PC), whereas the NFL isn't, although something like 70-80% of the players are black. I think that's what's actually floating under the surface when some people talk about "thugs" being the reason they don't want the NBA here.

Emphasis on "some". I wouldn't paint everybody in the midwest with that brush. Including myself, who has no interest in or desire to watch the NBA, and is not racist in any way.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6694013)

I'm sure I'll get castigated for saying it, but I think, despite the popularity of college ball here, that the NBA is seen by many in the midwest as a league in a "black sport" (or inner city sport if you're being PC), whereas the NFL isn't, although something like 70-80% of the players are black. I think that's what's actually floating under the surface when some people talk about "thugs" being the reason they don't want the NBA here.

Emphasis on "some". I wouldn't paint everybody in the midwest with that brush. Including myself, who has no interest in or desire to watch the NBA, and is not racist in any way.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6693987)

Perception is more important than facts to the Midwest.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6694013)

I think that's what's actually floating under the surface when some people talk about "thugs" being the reason they don't want the NBA here.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6694019)

That's totally accurate. I think that in most cases (not all) thug is the PC version of n*gger.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6694019)

That's totally accurate. I think that in most cases (not all) thug is the PC version of n*gger.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6694076)

My dad refers to the NBA as "blackball" and then he discusses how if these guys didn't play ball they'd be in prison.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6694081)

Teh stewpid: learned or inherited?...:hmmm:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6694010)

Rothlisberger and Brady because they have more rings.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6693407)

Umm....

The guy bullheadedly refused to wear a helmet when riding a bike and did so only when he was near death.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. There seems to be consistency in some of the charges and not even all the girls are actually pressing charges or demanding attention. Seems like Big Ben's a big fan of just randomly whipping his dick out and stalking girls.

Big Ben had a picture taken years ago hammered off his ass with a "Drink like a champion today" shirt, which has become pretty famous on the net. Pretty significant, since it seems like most incidents have involved drinking. And pretty creepy behavior that followed. But I suppose lacerations of the vagina, that's pretty normal shit.

And then there's this. You're being charged for rape in Vegas. Maybe it's a BS case, which is how most people interpreted it. But you have to be a ****ing idiot to be under that kind of scrutiny, and then have a night orchestrated around getting girls publicly drunk and then having bodyguard's protect a bathroom while Big Ben has sex in it.

It's not so much the personal behavior as much as it is his complete lack of common sense.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6694225)

Yeah, I guess I was asking whether Dane has heard more than what has already been widely reported in the news.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6693613)

I think Mecca would support a convicted child molester as our QB as long as he won SB's.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6694238)

I answered later, Pat

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6694248)

Yeah, I saw that. Thanks.

I think you're right that he's probably irredeemable. Hopefully he'll go to the Raiders and then get himself kicked out of the NFL or something.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6693843)

This is the same city that ran LJ out of town for spitting and treating women like shit.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6693926)

Just throwing this out there.

This place was almost universally in the "everyone deserves a second chance" club when it came to Michael Vick - who was charged and convicted of his crimes.

This place is still butthurt about trading Jared Allen, who people seemed to have no problem giving a second, third and fourth chance - again, for crimes he was charged and convicted for.

Seems to me that people are all for giving people a second chance, provided they like said person.

And FTR, I'm indifferent. He's not on my team, so until he is, I'm not going to get concerned over it. However, I'm not a big fan of people throwing around the word "rapist" when the man wasn't even charged with rape, much less convicted.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6694254)

Well, I don't wish any ill-will upon anyone but I do think that he's got a serious problem that's hidden by his money and celebrity.

I just hope that it doesn't happen again. For everyone's sake.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6693926)

Just throwing this out there.

This place was almost universally in the "everyone deserves a second chance" club when it came to Michael Vick - who was charged and convicted of his crimes.

This place is still butthurt about trading Jared Allen, who people seemed to have no problem giving a second, third and fourth chance - again, for crimes he was charged and convicted for.

Seems to me that people are all for giving people a second chance, provided they like said person.

And FTR, I'm indifferent. He's not on my team, so until he is, I'm not going to get concerned over it. However, I'm not a big fan of people throwing around the word "rapist" when the man wasn't even charged with rape, much less convicted.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6694267)

LJ was run out of town because he treated the fans like shit (or at least appeared to have no interest in pleasing the fans) and because he wasn't productive. He wouldn't have been run out of town for his troubles with the ladies if he was still running for 1500+ yards per season and especially not if he would have made an effort to connect with the fans.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6693252)

Before considering a trade for Ruthlessraper, he should put him through rigorous and intense psychological testing.

Sexual deviancy isn't something that's likely to go away anytime soon.

And for the record, I seriously can't believe some of the people that would trade for this human piece of dogshit. You must not know a ****ing thing about his personal life or believe that a person can actually be a drunk ****ing asshole and still be a good QB.

If the Chiefs traded for him, I wouldn't watch them or support them until he was gone.

**** him.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6694613)

Like I told OTW there is some truth to the fact that when LJ started sucking alot more people started to hate the guy. But I know for a fact alot of Chief fans absolutely hated the guy for his actions. I used to listen to talk radio religiously and people would constantly bash LJ and call him a thug and a criminal.

As far as him treating fans like crap I really don't remember hearing much about that and that wasn't the experience I had with him. I went to TC 4 years in row and never once had a bad experience with LJ. He almost always signed autographs but admittedly he sometimes wasn't in the best of moods. On the other hand one of the supposedly nice guys on the team, Tony G, always treated the fans like complete shit.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6693863)

Dude, how many ****ing times MUST this be said: There was a police officer FIRED for mishandling this case. EVERYONE involved had a blood alcohol content of over 1.6.

It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to prove rape when alcohol is involved. It's a small town with few financial resources. They made a decision to not take the case to trial because they couldn't win.

That does NOT exonerate BR from any wrongdoing.

JFC, Mecca, wake up.

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6694736)

wow...1.6 huh...that's impressive...I thought I was doing good when I hit 0.25...