Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8208097)

Todd's wife = Semi MILF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u93G568DK-Q

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 8208220)

His PR coach.

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8208437)

Pioli went into KC bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and within 3 years realized he was stuck between a cheap rock (ownership) and a controlling hard place (Pioli).

Let's say you get hired as a manager
of a store. You go in all excited. Then you find out the store ownership isn't spending enough money to let you hire quality employees, and you're stuck with halfwits and malcontents you have to try to run a business with. Then you find out that the Regional Manager overrides you on all decisions. You find yourself a puppet in between ineffective and miserly Upper Management, and the Regional Manager who micromanages and controls. You realize you're not doing a whole lot creatively except trying to control the minimum-wage employees. So you check out mentally. Can't really blame the guy if that's how it went down. (And if you get fired by said company, but realize that other companies in the same area will probably hire you in time and give you another shot, you'd probably be relieved and well-rested and better-appearing too. In his view, he was freed, not fired.)

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8208854)

Didn't get to listen much but Danny Parkins was going off on Haley's performance last night and how it was a soap opera. He thought Haley was unprofessional and did a disservice to himself and the Chiefs. :hmmm:

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8208854)

Didn't get to listen much but Danny Parkins was going off on Haley's performance last night and how it was a soap opera. He thought Haley was unprofessional and did a disservice to himself and the Chiefs. :hmmm:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8208905)

First of all, he was far from unprofessional in the clips I've heard so far.

Second, he CANNOT do a disservice to the Chiefs - they fired him. Get over it.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8207650)

No. When in doubt, always blame the guy on top. Especially since he made the hire.

I don't think Haley was a poor fit for the team. I just think Pioli is so close-minded that he thinks there is only one way to do things. Here's what we do know. In almost every single way, Pioli did things exactly as he did in New England. Closed door policy, coaches saying nothing, secrecy, etc.... Same exact 2-gap defense, same Charlie Weis offense, same focus on role players/leaders/cheapness, and a bunch of players who played for the Patriots (including Cassel, the most important guy on the field).

Pioli's the boss. But this entire team model reeks of Pioli. And the biggest mistakes in personnel, apart from Palko, are owned by Pioli. When a guy gets his way all the time, he's the guy most at fault. You can say Haley needed to be tougher in fighting off Pioli, but I think that's a tough battle to win.

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8208931)

I thought he was kind of catty when it was about him but otherwise did a good job. I don't think he did himself any favors as far as potential employers as a head coach. Perhaps as a TV analyst he did.

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8208962)

I wonder what the relationship between Haley and Pioli would be like in the alternate universe where Denver and Josh McDaniels acquired Cassel instead of us.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8207898)

Pope
Breaston
Long
Urbhan
Jones
Brown
Palko

That's a list that kinda disproves your statement, buddy.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8208968)

The same, most likely.

Cassel doesn't make Haley any more or less of an idiot than he already is.

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8209029)

I've seen it. Somebody please tell me where he threw the Chiefs organization under the bus. Worse thing he said all night was that the 49ers are last year's Chiefs. He did ask the other people on the panel whether they believed he should be fired, which they saved him from by saying they would answer off camera. Herm threw his coaches and players under the bus every week.

The biggest statement of the night was from Keyshon, a former player of his, who stated that if Todd had a QB, he would not be on the panel.

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8209029)

I've seen it. Somebody please tell me where he threw the Chiefs organization under the bus. Worse thing he said all night was that the 49ers are last year's Chiefs. He did ask the other people on the panel whether they believed he should be fired, which they saved him from by saying they would answer off camera. Herm threw his coaches and players under the bus every week.

The biggest statement of the night was from Keyshon, a former player of his, who stated that if Todd had a QB, he would not be on the panel.

Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8208931)

I thought he was kind of catty when it was about him but otherwise did a good job. I don't think he did himself any favors as far as potential employers as a head coach. Perhaps as a TV analyst he did.

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8208088)

Please put links to those sources. Especially the one where Pioli tried to force McDaniels on Haley.

Oh, and I wonder why McDaniels is rumored to be a possibility if Clark stepped in and said no to him last year after what happened in Denver.

The logic is lacking in that argument.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8209040)

Can't we get video of this? It's ****ing 2011 and the intrawebs FFS.

Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 8208941)

Well said, and I agree. But to finish the point, it is also Pioli's first time of being in this position, and I feel Clark has pointed out to him how he has ****ed up, and what he needs to change. The locked doors coming unlocked I think is a good example of that.

Of course, I have always been a glass half full kind of person. Hopefully he starts doing things right, sooner than later.

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8209041)

I didn't even take that 49ers comment to be a knock against the Chiefs. I took it to mean that there's a team who was crap the previous year which came out of nowhere to be the surprise team that was winning a division.

Although it should be pointed out that everyone using the QB issue as an excuse for Haley should look at the job Harbaugh is doing with a QB who got two other head coaches fired...

Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8212328)

Todd Haley, Keyshawn Johnson, Trent Dilfer, and Jerry Rice; which of these don't belong? Here's a hint: three of these guys are has-beens, and the other is a true legend.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8212496)

Do you believe that Alex Smith is that guy?

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8212505)

Nobody believed Smith was the guy to win more than 4 games this year.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8212505)

Nobody believed Smith was the guy to win more than 4 games this year.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8212524)

2500 yards and 15 touchdowns in 13 games. Epitome of game manager.
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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 8208437)

Pioli went into KC bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and within 3 years realized he was stuck between a cheap rock (ownership) and a controlling hard place (Pioli).

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8212634)

The cheap owner shelled out a huge contract, on the recommendation of the Grocery Getter Scott Pioli, and Pioli is still trying to justify it. It can't be that the recommendations of Pioli have been really awful, it's the cheap owner.

Cassel is a garbage QB that went from being on the verge of being cut in training camp to getting 60 million the following off-season. The common denominator is Scott Pioli, not the cheap owner.

If Pioli could hit on a QB, this whole situation would be a lot more "bright eyed".

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8212817)

As soon as anybody starts screaming the issue is Clark is cheap I immediately devalue anything else they have to say.

He is paying Pioli premium $$ to do his job. Haley was making something like $3MM a year. RAC is said ot be making over $1MM as DC and bet Weis was as well.

They gave Cassel $60MM for **** sake. They picked up Orton for $2MM with 6 games left in the season.

Resigned Hali, DJ, and JC.

It's not about what you spend its how you spend it. The issue is where the $ is being spent.

Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8212328)

Todd Haley, Keyshawn Johnson, Trent Dilfer, and Jerry Rice; which of these don't belong? Here's a hint: three of these guys are has-beens, and the other is a true legend.